[Theme - Tactica] Orca Deployed Forces

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[Theme - Tactica] Orca Deployed Forces

Post#1 » Oct 16 2013 11:29

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This has been floating in my head since my forces recovered a damaged Orca. Can an Orca transport an effective drop force? And at what point level? Can we call them ODF Teams? (Orca Deployed Forces)

I am going to keep adding to this as I think, from a tactic sense, it would be fun to know. My mobile assault force was always designed to be deploy-able from a Manta which offers a lot more choices for ground forces.

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FORGE WORLD: Tau Dropship as featured in the computer game Fire Warrior. Includes 24 seated Fire Warriors, 8 Drones, 6 Battlesuits, 1 Ethereal and 3 crew. Complete resin and plastic kit. Master model by Will Hayes.



The Numbers

EDIT: 57 models, up to 6 of which can be battle suits.
So what that might look like:
24 Firewarriors in seats + 10 gun drones in racks (that is double the current racks) + 6 Battlesuits (18 spots) + 1 Ethereal + 2 Firewarrior crew + 2 dudes some where. = 57 models. The air caste pilot does not get out much I imagine.

This leaves a lot of options if one "changes" the inside of the Orca to match what they want to deploy.

Battlesuits with JSJ: Limited to 6 total models and takes 3 slots per model.

XV88 space and Orca capability: Takes 5 slots and is not limited to 6 total models.

XV104 space and Orca capability - Possible, if inside modification was made. Probably use 75% of capacity. Might be sling loadable under an Orca.


ATT ODF Team Types:

FW XV9 modified Orca from APOC - Modified Orca with all of its capacity set to drop off XV9 teams to the front lines.

ODF Team - Stealth team deployment Model: 40K Meta
The role of this team is to recon and light tactical engagement of forward enemy forces.

1 Team leader:
- Ethereal, Fireblade, or Named infantry model (Darkstrider)
- for now: Ethereal
- Using the 2 Crew slots, take a Fireblade and a Shaper as Team leaders

4 - 6 Man Infantry teams
- Small light forces to cover the most ground
Option 1: Kroot team replaces 2 teams. 10 Kroot with 2 dogs, 2 6 man Firewarrior Teams

3 - 2 man special weapons Battlesuit teams, 2 teams with max drones.
- Each team is build to handle a situation.
- Death rain, Burning eye, and Fusion teams seem a good staple.

Farsight ODF - Ground assault/Recovery Model:
- You can take the entire Eight and sling load the O'vesa below for deployment. (this is a fluff deployment, for actual game play the 8 would be in the Orca and the O'vesa would Deepstrike)
6 XV8, 1 XV88, 1 X V104 so it would work. Can even load more models.

ODF Team "Whale of Fury": APOC Meta
- a Shas'Ui Nevar Tactic
- Rapid deploying strike group approach for objective seizing with the mind to play to the objectives. Use the 48 troop count max to take four full squads of Firewarriors. While it might seem like a good idea to throw some XV-8's in as well at the expense of Firewarriors, I feel they can deploy in better ways like Deep-strike and such and the transport is better served for our less mobile forces.
- Deploy a 'Whale of Furry' approach with four full squads of firewarriors boosted by an ethereal. The orca allows you to deploy all four squads at once and transport them all at once, basically taking the place of four Devilfish in a sturdy -flying- package. While your main forces engage this team can easily circumvent forward lines to deploy a hail of fire on back field objectives, or even rapid deploy into good defensible positions without having to expose a Devilfish formation to fire as it tried to get into position.
- UPDATE: this would be 4 full squads of Firewarriors + drones + Ethereal (Total 57 Models)

The "Defense Line Rush"
9-11 XV88s deployed and movable via Orca at a shifting 36"+ gap. Fly your stopping power to the perfect spot, leave with them when it get iffy. Upload and unload is 4 units, you have 4 units.



Conclusion
We need more ODF commanders, join your Tau ODF training team today
Think on it, we would love your thoughts and tactics.
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Re: Theme: Orca drop force

Post#2 » Oct 16 2013 11:43

I like this idea. A tactical insertion team sounds like lots of fun to play. Remoras would be my choice for a covert operation. They can run escort for the Orca, and can also be used as ground support, all without attracting too much attention thanks to their stealthy nature and small profile. They can also shoot fliers, just in case you run into one at 1000 points.
Failing that, piranhas could be a good support unit. Piranhas perform very well in low point games (and all other point games :P ) and can be fitted with Seekers to help out ground forces up against some heavier armour. They are economical, effective, and even fit in with the theme (somewhat)

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Re: Theme: Orca drop force

Post#3 » Oct 16 2013 12:49

Da Skyman - Really liked your idea, making more groups/builds for the Orca insertion. Like commander choices if you will. Will also be a lot of fun to play them with an Orca in APOC games.
- Updated Outline
- Added some data

- I will also be deploying these on Thursdays. I will try and post a battle report on how they do. Our group is VERY competitive so I am not promising solid Tau victories.

This Thursday I will deploy ODF Team 1 - Scout/Recon version
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Re: [Theme - Tactica] Orca Deployed Forces (Draft)

Post#4 » Oct 16 2013 01:27

Vay,

I actually love the Orca model and have long been tempted to purchase one simply to have it.

This lead me, especially recently, to attempt to make a playable force using one. Fortunately/Unfortunately the Orca is a super heavy flyer and is only available in APOC games. This means we have plenty of room point wise.

I went the rapid deploying strike group approach for objective seizing with the mind to play to the objectives. I believe if I recall off the top of my head you can fit 48 normal sized models inside the Orca, which turns out to be four full squads of Firewarriors. While it might seem like a good idea to throw some XV-8's in as well at the expense of Firewarriors, I feel they can deploy in better ways like Deep-strike and such and the transport is better served for our less mobile forces.

Anyhow, the way I planned on using the Orca is to deploy a 'Whale of Furry' approach with four full squads of firewarriors boosted by an ethereal. The orca allows you to deploy all four squads at once and transport them all at once, basically taking the place of four devilfish in a sturdy -flying- package. While your main forces engage this team can easily circumvent forward lines to deploy a hail of fire on back field objectives, or even rapid deploy into good defensible positions without having to expose a devilfish formation to fire as it tried to get into position.

I am not sure what form of team you might call it, but you might consider this formation in your own APOC games and in this article.

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Re: [Theme - Tactica] Orca Deployed Forces (Draft)

Post#5 » Oct 16 2013 01:37

OMG, "Whale of Fury"... I could type nothing more and this post was already worth it to me. I am adding this to a deployment team; ODF Team - "wWhale of Fury"... ROFL

I will post what I have it looking like before Thursdays game. It needs some TLC, and I have to rebuild/cast the engine parts for one side as they were probably why I got it so cheap on ebay.
As far as the model in normal games, I have been offering it up to the tables as terrain. Nothing cooler then getting into a last stand fire fight holding the Orca (which had my OBJ) from Nids. It looked glorious!

- Adding Whale of Fury, the answer to every problem.
- More talk on crew, and what you can get out of a Orca
- Thinking of making 2 tactica scales. One APOC and one normal game Meta
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Re: [Theme - Tactica] Orca Deployed Forces (Draft)

Post#6 » Oct 16 2013 02:31

The Orca comes with all the models inside for "free," doesn't it? (They're included on top of the vessel itself, I mean.) Are these pre-assembled, or do they come with the standard sprues?

I do like the idea of an Orca swooping over the battlefield and spewing Fire Warriors onto something with an Ethereal. If only you could assign other fliers as escorts, so you could have them dramatically enter the battlefield as reinforcements.

(Also a teeny, tiny, somewhat petty nitpick - Orcas are actually dolphins. Sorry, I work in marine wildlife, just a little niggle is all.)

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Post#7 » Oct 16 2013 02:39

Yep, it comes with them. Every thing but the XV's and the drones is solid mold.
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Re: [Theme - Tactica] Orca Deployed Forces (Draft)

Post#8 » Oct 16 2013 05:12

While of course we can use the Orca itself in Apocalypse, I think it's a real shame there's no "Orca plus the troops it contains" Apocalypse formation. (Instead we get "take three Riptides!", yawn).

I guess any list that fits the limitations of what can be carried in an Orca is valid enough.

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Post#9 » Oct 16 2013 05:22

There was an old formation for XV9s and a custom Orca, will post some of its data as I add to this.
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Post#10 » Oct 17 2013 10:59

This is a convenient thread, as I've noticed some things about the Orca and Manta entries that I find interesting (and I pseudo-verified my idea on FWs facebook page).

Broadsides can be taken without using the slots reserved for "battlesuits with the type jetpack infantry." Because 88s are just infantry, and the Orca and Manta have no qualms transporting bulky models of any type, they can be crammed in the same seats as Fire Warriors. I don't know the exact transport capacity of an Orca right now (at work), but I think we could transport two full teams (maybe with a PEN CDR) around the battlefield.

This could be useful in giving our Broadside teams the mobility to keep up with a mechanized and suit heavy army, and allows them some tactical maneuverability. Deploying XV88s for side and rear armor shots and, depending on the size of your apocalypse table, in range of both primary and secondary weapon systems.

Using them aggressively in this manner also opens up some interesting wargear options for them beyond EWOs and VTs. Being near the frontlines gives them a chance to use supporting fire - a CDS is great for twin-linked weapons on overwatch - and they might even make use of the defensive systems like stim injectors, and shield generators.

Essentially my proposal is not so different from a Fish of Fury or Whale (Porpoise?) of Fury, just with XV88s instead of fire warriors. I don't really know what to call it, though: Orcaside, Ship-of-the-Line, Man-of-War (Tau-of-War)?

Anyways, keep up the good work, I look forward to more ideas from the community.

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Re: [Theme - Tactica] Orca Deployed Forces (Draft)

Post#11 » Oct 17 2013 02:53

UPDATE:
Orca is 57 models capacity, adjusted some of the data to match

I am also going to work on an Orca layout based on how a US army C-130 can be fitted to match its cargo. Think of how the Orca's cargo space would work minus the chairs up to the command deck. This opens options for things like carrying Tetras or heavy drones. This is strongly theory and based on how we "fluff" see the Tau and Tau logistics for us Tau lovers. It would be neat to have it flushed out more.
-Some where deep in my soul I want to mount a rail cannon out of the back and have it work like an AC-130 Gunship

Still need to look up and update how the XV88 would work with Orcas for deployment
I do remember a reference to XV88's being remote dropped to support combat operations by... (Manta? or Orca?)

Working with the assumption that ALL XV systems have a box up mode for transport and use rails or Tau "Magic" to get out of the Orca. Once out the system would un-box and function. The currant pictures of FW's Orca shows a meat hanger kinda look on the XV systems in line on the rail system.

Could have more discussion on the Tau "magic" that might be used to fast eject or recover XV systems with Orcas (and Mantas)
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Post#12 » Oct 17 2013 05:07

I seem to recall reading that battlesuits are dropped from their racks via a door that opens up just beneath them. That would seem safer than jettisoning them out the back of the vessel.

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Post#13 » Oct 17 2013 09:05

The larger Tau vessels (all the way down to the Manta) are propelled through the manipulation of a singularity (black hole) along the front of the wings to create forward thrust, or spread along the top of the wings to provide lift. It's not too far of a stretch then, imo, that the same manipulation could be used to propel suits and vehicles out of the craft, or to essentialy "tractor beam" them in from a close proximity.

How's that for Tau "magic"?

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Post#14 » Oct 17 2013 10:14

Vay wrote:This leaves a lot of options if one "changes" the inside of the Orca to match what they want to deploy.
EX: dropping the seats for more XV space. 3 rows of 6 Battlesuits (36 model count) + 16 drones = 52, + 1 Ethereal + 2 Firewarrior crew + 2 dudes some where. = 57 models
I'm not sure if the rules allow for this as the description clearly states a limit of "up to six Tau Battlesuits with the type Jetpack Infantry." I interpret this to mean that up to 30 slots may be used exclusively for the transportation of Jetpack Battlesuits and no more.
    6 Stealthsuits: 12 models.
    6 XV8s: 18 models.
    6 XV9s: 30 models.

Vay wrote:XV88 space and Orca capability
XV104 space and Orca capability
XV88s are Extremely Bulky and are not limited to six because they are only Infantry type models. The Riptide on the other hand is an MC and likely cannot be transported unless otherwise specified.

The above means that in my Broadside suggestion one could comfortably transport three teams of three Broadsides, a PEN/Raven CDR, with 9 slots left over.

Vay wrote:There was an old formation for XV9s and a custom Orca, will post some of its data as I add to this.
Swift Protector Wing, Imperial Armour - Apocalypse II (pg 60)
Formation: 1 Orca, 3 teams of two XV9s, 0-2 Remoras.

Vay wrote:Working with the assumption that ALL XV systems have a box up mode for transport and use rails or Tau "Magic" to get out of the Orca. Once out the system would un-box and function. The currant pictures of FW's Orca shows a meat hanger kinda look on the XV systems in line on the rail system.
I assume a rail system with or without pallets would be the best answer. Jetpack suits just slide out and use their jetpacks to descend. Infantry types require the Orca to be hovering/landed anyways, so the XV88s just slide down the ramp and deploy when they hit the ground.

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Post#15 » Oct 18 2013 05:08

10 CM wide by 5 CM tall in bay
8 CM by 4 CM slight oval for bay door

Will post estimate for XV104

6 CM by 7 CM, the jet pack is what throws it over. With out it having a modified position it would be a no go.
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Re: [Theme - Tactica] Orca Deployed Forces (Draft)

Post#16 » Oct 18 2013 05:34

I recall the (original) Imperial Armor III had Orca stats and rules for play. I was especially fond of the assault drop rules.. hereforever known as Killer Whale Of Fury (lol)

going from memory it was something like:
establish a flight path of the Orca, from one table edge to the other in a straight line. You may deploy any or all of the embarked units anywhere within 6" of that flight path. Deepstrike rules apply for all deployed in this manner.
Its NOT a trick or cheat. This is Tau at its very best!

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Re: [Theme - Tactica] Orca Deployed Forces (Draft)

Post#17 » Oct 19 2013 07:14

UPDATED:
Battlesuits with JSJ: Limited to 6 total models and takes 3 slots per model.

XV88 space and Orca capability: Takes 5 slots and is not limited to 6 total models.

XV104 space and Orca capability - Not possible, limited to Manta. Might be sling loadable under an Orca.
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Re: [Theme - Tactica] Orca Deployed Forces (Draft)

Post#18 » Nov 12 2013 03:50

Huge issue identified for taking Orca transport into a Urban fight. There is no where to park it(or get your parking validated). I had to keep it out most of the game, and when it did come in it did anti air support. Something to think about when deploying your Orca. City fight rules where you can park on roof tops would have been helpful.
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