Raverrn wrote:Since when are Kroot and Riptides 'sub-par'?
I should clarify. I would run a single Riptide or less and then Kroot and Krootox ect. I would do a lot to tone down my list and they still couldn't beat it. I doubt if I fielded an entire army of vespid they could beat me. I even took pathfinders with upgrades. Brought shadowsun instead of a commander or buffmander and had her join a team of fusion suits. Even maxed out my Tau troop squads.
There was a few close games where I had a single unit left, but ultimately nothing I did could lose. I would probably have to go out of my way to skip shooting a turn to give them a chance to win. My only opponents are orks, IG, and Tyranids. Also my IG opponent thinks wyverns are one of the *BAD WORD DELETED!* units in the IG codex and nothing can convince him otherwise. I even told them to go for my markerlights and they never went for them except like once. I've even tried proxying my skyrays as devilfish and ended up tank shocking them off the board and disrupting them enough with getting in the way to shoot them.
I have tried using the burst tide. They said it was less powerful, but still over powered.
Well the way you describe it it seems your opponents are partly terrible player and partly use low tier armys and you are an above average player in the first place.
If they don't want to learn there is nothing you can do. Just stay friendly and let them play their game. Wait for them to come to you to get some help instead of trying to take the initiative on that and if they don't come to you then that's fine as well.
Also i wouldn't do such a thing as skipping an entire turn of shooting. That won't be fun for them at all.
Back then we had a player in our FLGS which was a lot better than most of us. He almost always beat us without a problem with his CQC dwarf army list (WHFB). Given we were still learning but he was a great guy who only gave us advice when we asked for it other than explaining rules so it was always a great atmosphere to play against him and it actually encouraged us to play smarter than we used to just because we wanted to not because he told us to.
He also never really toned his army down. It was not the kind of army he would field in bigger tournaments, just the kind of army he liked to play (which was still not bad at all with his skill).