New Tigershark?

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Re: TigerShark - Missing

Post#11 » Nov 10 2016 02:21

I can't find any confirmation on this yet, but this image showed up in a couple of Tau FB groups today. Apparently from Open Day last weekend?
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Can anyone confirm if this is legit?

I am quite hopeful if it is since I had yet to pick up either of the variants before they pulled them from the store.

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Re: TigerShark - Missing

Post#12 » Nov 13 2016 07:12

If it gets two shots with the Ta'unar's heavy rail rifle then ouch it is going to destroy a lot and probably be a better anti-titan vehicle than the Ta'unar. Here's hoping it gets the full rules.

Also as a newbie to Tau and FW has the Manta ever been recast? So much of our GW range has been updated that the army inside looks a little dated now. I only want to get the Manta when it gets a recast. Do we think there is a realistic possibility of that ever happening?

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Re: TigerShark - Missing

Post#13 » Nov 13 2016 09:09

Jacket wrote:Also as a newbie to Tau and FW has the Manta ever been recast? So much of our GW range has been updated that the army inside looks a little dated now. I only want to get the Manta when it gets a recast. Do we think there is a realistic possibility of that ever happening?


To my knowledge the Manta has never been redesigned from it's original iteration, and I wouldn't say it's that likely. If I remember right the Manta is cast on demand rather than kept in regular stock (I.E. they only ever cast a kit if someone orders one rather than constantly producing them and keeping them in storage), and given the Manta's impressive price I can't imagine that many people having ordered them over the years, so I imagine the moulds would probably still be in fairly good condition, which limits the chances of it being redone - usually if a Forgeworld model is discontinued it's because there's something wrong with the mould (like it's worn out, as with the heavy gun drone burst cannons that got replaced a few years ago). It might happen years and years from now, but I would be very surprised if it happened in the immediate future.

Personally I'm praying with all my might that they never touch the Manta's design. I have consistently hated every single model redesign they have done for the last 3 years now, which means the Manta is the last remaining Tau aircraft I would have any interest in buying from Forgeworld directly (well, that and the Remoras, but I'm not entirely sure they count).
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Re: TigerShark - Missing

Post#14 » Nov 13 2016 09:52

I have a weird gut feeling that they are going to. It's really showing its age and if the fine looking Tigershark is getting some love when it really didn't need it since it's not that drastic of an updated design. I can't see the much more necessary Manta update not happening.

It just so happens I am in a position to buy one if it gets updated but this is a limited window depending on what else comes out thus year and life factors ect.

I'm the opposite of you I love all the model updates they've done to the Tau same with GW. They've hit a whole new level of quality and style with the Barracuda in particular. After my Ta'nar is done months form now I intend to grab two barracuda, two tri axis, and possibly a R'varnah.

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Re: TigerShark - Missing

Post#15 » Nov 14 2016 08:03

Jacket wrote:If it gets two shots with the Ta'unar's heavy rail rifle then ouch it is going to destroy a lot and probably be a better anti-titan vehicle than the Ta'unar. Here's hoping it gets the full rules.



I'd like to see it as well, but sadly GW and FW have a thing for two equal weapons close to each other = twin-linked. 2 D shots are much better than 1 twin-lnked.

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Re: TigerShark - Missing

Post#16 » Nov 14 2016 05:17

If it's twinlinked and at least gets the cool induction rule of the Taunar one then it basically means almost guaranteed 4-6 all the time. I would much prefer two though to set it more apart from the Ta'unar. Ah well time will tell.

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Re: TigerShark - Missing

Post#17 » Nov 14 2016 08:16

Looks like it has two of those "chaff" drones we don't know anything about.

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Re: TigerShark - Missing

Post#18 » Nov 14 2016 09:51

I just realized something about the above image. Those aren't the old railguns in the top they are Ion Guns of some kind. Interesting. This makes me much more interested in the model.


This is the old Tigershark here and you can see the old railguns up front. I can't believe I didn't notice it until now. Or has it always had options for those?
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Re: TigerShark - Missing

Post#19 » Nov 14 2016 10:27

Jacket wrote:I just realized something about the above image. Those aren't the old railguns in the top they are Ion Guns of some kind. Interesting. This makes me much more interested in the model.


This is the old Tigershark here and you can see the old railguns up front. I can't believe I didn't notice it until now. Or has it always had options for those?


They're ion cannons unless I'm mistaken, and they've always been on the Tigershark. The standard Tigershark has always had two ion cannons as well as missile pods and burst cannons (basically a double-up of the Barracuda's armament), along with an internal bay that could be loaded with lots of gun drones or a bunch of seeker missiles. The Tigershark AX-1-0 was a later variant that featured the two heavy railguns (plus some seeker missiles and a networked markerlight.

What's more noteworthy is that it seems the new model has options for turret-mounted ion guns if the second picture is anything to go by.
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Re: TigerShark - Missing

Post#20 » Nov 14 2016 10:47

So its probably the two different versions then. I already noted the ion guns on its wing tips. Hmmm it's a good looking model but I think I'm going to pass unless the rules are really good.

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Re: TigerShark - Missing

Post#21 » Nov 15 2016 06:48

Some people have noted that the new AX-1-0 rail cannons are pretty similar to the Tau'nar's

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Re: TigerShark - Missing

Post#22 » Nov 20 2016 11:22

The redesigns are more subtle than on the new Barracuda IMO, but lookin' good! At least I can have a new Tiger Shark with better fitting parts and wingtips that don't get lost...

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New Tigershark

Post#23 » Nov 23 2016 02:12

Just saw this over on Dakka:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/6090/660641.page

Looks like we might get that new FW book early next year.
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Re: New Tigershark?

Post#24 » Nov 23 2016 01:52

Merged the New Tigershark thread with the existing Tigershark - Missing thread. I'll likely change the name to reflect this new information. —ARC

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Take note of the railgun design—identical to the new railgun used by the 139.

I'm wondering if this means the Tigershark is going to solidify it's role as a "bomber" by using the blast profile of the 139's variant (likely twin-linked):
    Heavy Rail Cannon: S:D, Ordnance 1, Blast (3"), Mass-induction Targeting.

Also, it seems to have the same secondary weapon options as the new Barracuda: LBBCs or CIBs.

Looking forward to seeing the new rules, and some more pictures, to answer some questions about the model (is there a drone rack?)

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Re: New Tigershark?

Post#25 » Nov 23 2016 07:10

Eh, I'm not keen on it being blast, I always liked blowing flyers out with a heavy railgun shot up the hiney.

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Re: New Tigershark?

Post#26 » Nov 23 2016 09:42

Thanks Arc'thunder, I didn't see the post.

I've been chatting with some folks and there seems to be a strong indication a new FW book with Tau and the war around Kel'shan. Obviously we're not a rumor site and there's always salt, but there is a lot of transparency being adopted by GW.

The speculation part is more about how it will reflect with the real war brewing= the new version of the 13th Black Crusade. Since we weren't in the last one and the 3rd Sphere has already come and gone, perhaps it makes sense that we're now on the defensive, not unlike the Imperium.

But that's probably for another thread.
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Re: New Tigershark?

Post#27 » Nov 24 2016 12:22

Calmsword wrote:I've been chatting with some folks and there seems to be a strong indication a new FW book with Tau and the war around Kel'shan. Obviously we're not a rumor site and there's always salt, but there is a lot of transparency being adopted by GW.

The new IA Tau v AdMech isn't speculation anymore. It's been confirmed at the past two Warhammer events through conversations with the teams, and reportedly due out (mid?) next year, but with HH:Inferno being the first priority on FW's list.

Here's a slide from Warhammer Fest in May? I think?
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A major point of the book is not only to update Tau, but to also introduce new Red Scorpions models, and bring 30k Mechanicum models into 40k.

R.D. wrote:Eh, I'm not keen on it being blast, I always liked blowing flyers out with a heavy railgun shot up the hiney.
To be fair, I'm not sure it's going to be a blast weapon, but visual cues like this are, usually, chosen for a specific reason. In this case, I think it's an informed guess that this might be the 139's heavy rail cannon instead of Tigershark's existing heavy railgun based not only on the visuals, but also because the blast templates would better fit the theme of a "bomber".

However, ForgeWorld loves giving every model special rules and wargear, so it may be that we get a swiftstrike heavy rail cannon or something with a solid slug instead. Or it might just be a visual update to the rail-line in general—but if that were the case I would expect it to look more like the standard rail muzzles on the new Barracuda or the Manta instead. I guess we'll have to wait and see, but hopefully it'll be sooner rather than later.

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Re: New Tigershark?

Post#28 » Nov 24 2016 02:20

Out of curiosity do you think it's possible that there might be more than one book? Seems like it has more to do with Guard... Maybe it's just musings. Either way I'll post here if anything becomes clearer.

Edit: It was backstory info in the beginning of the book, like the Raptors in Taros. My bad.
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