Enclaves and the alien

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Entil'zha
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Re: Enclaves and the alien

Post#11 » Nov 17 2016 11:48

Calmsword you are completely correct, I totally got that wrong. The Empire is not evil as most of the population completely believes in the goal of spreading the secular truth of the greater good. AunVa on the other hand was becoming a little Hitler ish. Maybe with his death the Empire will lose some of that growing bad guy vibe.

I do also understand that the Empire has brought a great many dispossessed races into the fold but they also have completely wiped out some races whose only crime was living on a world of the ethereals did not want them living on.

Now the topic was the enclaves; I know that they are now able to use Kroot and vespid, and they have a human world, but I can find nothing on their stance on integration of humans. I have hope of good lore on this somewhere because Farsight is merit-based and as a result non-fire caste can use battle suits. So if some human showed the discipline and skill could they be integrated into the fire caste or would the humans forever be forced to use the human auxiliary rules found in IA:3? I.e. Lasguns instead of pulse rifles?

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Calmsword
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Re: Enclaves and the alien

Post#12 » Nov 18 2016 02:54

The only races that come to mind are the Orks, Reek and the Arachen which we know that both of those pose a lethal threat in the extreme for all other life in the Galaxy.

The Tau were designed as good guys, the one guy in a Cthulu horror story that doesn't know he's in one.

Yes they manipulate societies but nothing I would ever infer as 40k level 'evil'. Yes Aun'va got... Hitlerish... But his appearance was only after a loud minority kept declaring the Tau were too goody two shoes. That doesn't disregard it- but I think you'll find a lot of members on this site agree that those eras weren't entirely thought out. Personally, I'd say the Tau are morally somewhere between 'hitler' and what the founding fathers of america thought about nation building.

Now the topic was the enclaves; I know that they are now able to use Kroot and vespid, and they have a human world, but I can find nothing on their stance on integration of humans. I have hope of good lore on this somewhere because Farsight is merit-based and as a result non-fire caste can use battle suits. So if some human showed the discipline and skill could they be integrated into the fire caste or would the humans forever be forced to use the human auxiliary rules found in IA:3? I.e. Lasguns instead of pulse rifles?


And you won't. There frankly is none in regards to integration. The entirety of Tau culture is merit based. Farsight is unique in that the Fire Caste is entirely in charge. Usually, a 'Chia'gor' council is held to determine which Caste should lead in an endeavor- as Kakapo mentioned from the first codex, the real 'fear' of the Enclaves is a Tau society on a constant war-footing.

Humans have been integrated into Tau military to a point of relative seamlessness since the 3rd Sphere under Shadowsun. They are armed with carapace armor, communications suits and pulse weapons all in line with the Fire Caste. There are examples of human heroes, human units committing to one another with the Ta'lissera, in short, they are more like Tau than they are human in many ways.

We also have Gue'vesa'O Va'deem, a former inquisitor left behind during the Damocles Gulf Crusade who is still alive leading a counter-Imperial intelligence initiative that pilots a customized battlesuit. So that's canonical.

I'd say if you wanted to model some figures- you're totally within fluff norms... as weird as that is to write, lol. :biggrin:

I think it's ultimately an aesthetic. If you want to model humans using and piloting Tau gear- it works. If you want to do IG allies, it also makes sense, especially since Tau manufacture human weapons for auxileries like in the Taros campaign.

Game wise alone- you're stuck with the Taros version of Gue'vesa.
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Entil'zha
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Re: Enclaves and the alien

Post#13 » Nov 18 2016 12:16

I sadly have never had a chance to read the Tau IA, is that where you found out about the inquisitor?

If currently there is no lore about humans being integrated into the fire caste then I will patiently wait and hope.

Thank you for assisting me on a lore question.

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Calmsword
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Re: Enclaves and the alien

Post#14 » Nov 18 2016 05:17

I know what you mean- but to be clear: no alien gets integrated into a caste; they are always in auxilery cadres.

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SinisterSamurai
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Re: Enclaves and the alien

Post#15 » Nov 18 2016 08:19

Kakapo42 wrote:
Process wrote:I don't know if this is specifically a fluff convo, but the idea of human aux units really interests me, (i have a squad of IG left over from when i collected over 10 years ago, unpainted), i know there are rules available for guvesa(?), i found some written by an andy hoare, but are they applicable for 7th edition? and if not does anybody run these units with different rules?
Also, have you encountered any opposition to using them?


Imperial Guard as an allied detachment would be the logical choice for 7th edition as I understand it. If there are still dedicated rules for Gue'vessa units, I imagine they'd most likely be found in Imperial Armour Volume 3 Second Edition, as the first edition of IA:3 was where a modified version of the original Chapter Approved rules for Gue'vessa ended up.
The second edition certainly has gue'vesa, but technically limits their availability to use within the Taros Campaign. The First edition had that as well as a human mining gang that could also be used as Tau troops. The stat blocks for both aren't all that out of sorts with the current system, so I don't see why they couldn't be used, other than the campaign-only caveat.

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