The run to 8th edition

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Re: The run to 8th edition

Post#21 » Apr 24 2017 08:55

Jacket wrote:Sounds like Tau nerf edition inbound. I heard the frontline guys and some other sites testing the rules for 8th and offering balance feedback. More than any other faction they nerfed Tau despite the fact that for the longest time until this year Tau were not even placing in the top 15. I always hear them complaining about the Taunar being so OP and needing to be nerfed and saying the fact that Tau is only viable with it says a lot.

What does that mean Reecie? What do you want the Tau players to use in the ITC exactly? All the overnerfed stuff you toned down on them? Can you blame them when its the only option left?

I'm definitely worried with them having say in the rules. Thankfully other major tournament organizers are also providing feedback and Frankie likes the Tau.

I'm okay with Tau nerfs if they are done with balance in mind to every other faction and not over-nerfed like so many video game companies do when the mobs come. That is not my problem and why I'm making this post. If we don't see all the other even more powerful stuff than anything the Tau has nerfed alongside them fairly then we know there is probably a bias issue.

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I'll try and remain hopeful mods.


I agree, ITC organizers have problems with Tau. I fear what they may have done with the army.

Of course, some stuff needed to be toned down (Riptide, Tau'nar), but let's hope it wasn't too much.
On the other hand, GW said this will be the most balanced edition of all. Mayhaps we can use Vespids as a serious threat in the battlefield?

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Re: The run to 8th edition

Post#22 » Apr 24 2017 10:45

A Tau nerf isn't necessarily bad if the other big ones get nerfed as well and the weak ones buffed so we meet in the middle though. It all depends on what exactly and how much gets nerfed.

GW also said they were doing a lot of playtesting with the new edition (gathing feedback several sundays for ~10h each) so I have high hopes for the balance to end up in a good spot with the initial release.

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Re: The run to 8th edition

Post#23 » Apr 25 2017 12:39

TauMan wrote:Sorry gents for getting late in on the discussion, Real LifeTM had a hold of me.

El'mo said:
And with my Mod hat on please remember the first rule on this forum...
1) Treat each other with respect whilst using family-appropriate language.

The Admin team may warn, delete, or ban users whose posts consistently fail to meet the criteria explained in our Membership Primers, which all members of ATT are expected to have read and understood before posting.

Czar Ziggy said:
The other thing to say and get out of the way as well is please no wish-listing for the new edition. This thread should be about discussing the coming changes that Games Workshop have put in stone. It's not productive when people start saying; "Maybe now Fire Warriors will get those heavy weapons finally!"

Carry on.


What's up Mods? Getting me kind of worried writing stuff like that? Do we need protection?


The point of these comments are to remind members of the rules of the board before anything is posted that may cause one of the moderation team to have to step in.

Believe it or not we are not trying to stifle the excitement or discussion on the new rules but we have seen things devolve on other sites and FB into rants and personal insults which go against the ethos of ATT.

All discussion from either viewpoint of 8th... it will be a complete disaster/the best thing since sliced bread or any position in-between is accepted as long as it is within the board rules.

Forewarned is forearmed... :fear:


AnonAmbientLight wrote:What we know so far:
Rules are written in Scottish

I would have expected a multi-lingual version ;)

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Re: The run to 8th edition

Post#24 » Apr 25 2017 09:13

I am excited for 8th edition. I have been a long time modeller of GW, probably 17 years off and on, but never decided to play until this year. I did have and still some what do, having only been playing for 8 months a bit of a learning curve when it comes to the rules. So a clean up of the rules is exciting to me, also a 1500pt game being 90minutes, yes please (I have a baby so time to play is difficult to find).

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Re: The run to 8th edition

Post#25 » Apr 25 2017 01:08

Looks like Games Workshop has posted more information regarding unit profiles.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/201 ... -profiles/

The WS and BS changes in particular jump out at me. Looks like they have changes to static rolls instead of opposed, similar to how Armor Saves were. Kroot may end up more effective as melee fighters.

Also, I wonder how the changes to BS will change Markerlights.

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Re: The run to 8th edition

Post#26 » Apr 25 2017 01:27

El'mo wrote:The point of these comments are to remind members of the rules of the board before anything is posted that may cause one of the moderation team to have to step in.

Believe it or not we are not trying to stifle the excitement or discussion on the new rules but we have seen things devolve on other sites and FB into rants and personal insults which go against the ethos of ATT.

All discussion from either viewpoint of 8th... it will be a complete disaster/the best thing since sliced bread or any position in-between is accepted as long as it is within the board rules.

Forewarned is forearmed... :fear:


El'mo I gathered as such, and that was why I chose the "air raid warden" metaphor. And thanks to you and all the Mods for keeping the discussion so far civil and respectful. And to every member of A.T.T. as well, who has posted so far.
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Re: The run to 8th edition

Post#27 » Apr 25 2017 01:37

There we go! The first unit profiles!
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/04/25/warhammer-40000-unit-profiles/

  • Fix to-hit roll for both melee and ranged. Well the ranged one was always kinda fixed and the melee one was always 3+ or 4+ anyway so no big change here.
  • No Initiative stat anymore!
  • Marines have Movement 6 (Terminator has 5)
  • Dreadnought has T7, 8 wounds and a 3+ armor
  • Tactical Marines only have LD7 (keep in mind that we're getting the AoS Battleshock system unfortunately...)
  • Terminators with 2 wounds!

Tomorrow they'll give us weapon leaks!

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Re: The run to 8th edition

Post#28 » Apr 25 2017 01:48

Panzer wrote:There we go! The first unit profiles!


Oops QimRas just posted this! :roll:

Well, thanks anyways Panzer. With info about 8th edition coming so fast, members posting the same items was bound to happen.

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Re: The run to 8th edition

Post#29 » Apr 25 2017 01:50

TauMan wrote:
Panzer wrote:There we go! The first unit profiles!


Oops QimRas just posted this! :roll:

Well, thanks anyways Panzer. With info about 8th edition coming so fast, members posting the same items was bound to happen.

TauMan
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Oh wow I didn't notice! The forum skipped to your post when I went for the first unread post for some reason. :-?


QimRas wrote:Looks like Games Workshop has posted more information regarding unit profiles.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/201 ... -profiles/

The WS and BS changes in particular jump out at me. Looks like they have changes to static rolls instead of opposed, similar to how Armor Saves were. Kroot may end up more effective as melee fighters.

Also, I wonder how the changes to BS will change Markerlights.

Not quite how Armor Saves were. The article mentions modifier for both kind of to-hit rolls. ;)
So it's quite possible that Markerlights simply give +1 to hit for each which would also at the same time affect to-hit modifier by cover etc.

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Re: The run to 8th edition

Post#30 » Apr 25 2017 01:54

Panzer wrote:
TauMan wrote:
Panzer wrote:There we go! The first unit profiles!


Oops QimRas just posted this! :roll:

Well, thanks anyways Panzer. With info about 8th edition coming so fast, members posting the same items was bound to happen.

TauMan
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Oh wow I didn't notice! The forum skipped to your post when I went for the first unread post for some reason. :-?


No big deal. We all just want to share information! I totally missed Initiative disappearing though. I wonder how that will change CC after the first round.

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