The run to 8th edition

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Vio'ra Mal'caor
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Re: The run to 8th edition

Post#661 » May 19 2017 09:41

I think tht=at GW will probably nerf us. I mean, we ARE one of the most OPAF races in the 40k universe. So it's incredible that they haven't hit us with the nerf bat just yet. I think that our Battlesuits (especially the stealthsuit units). But putting nerfing aside, I think it's safe to say that with the current imperial dating system at the year 999 of the 41st millennium, we might see the 42nd millennium in 8th edition. As well as this, we also might see buffing of our burst cannons, infantry weapons and drone units. Also, I have a uncle whose best friend works for GW, and he says his friend hinted that GW is going to give us new battle brothers. Proper ones....
A Tiger??? In Africa???

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Bloodknife92
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Re: The run to 8th edition

Post#662 » May 20 2017 03:56

Vio'ra Mal'caor wrote:Also, I have a uncle whose best friend works for GW, and he says his friend hinted that GW is going to give us new battle brothers. Proper ones....


I'd be careful with second hand news, even if from supposed GW staff. Its all rumour until confirmed by GW themselves, although I would really love to see some close allies for the Tau.
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Ricordis
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Re: The run to 8th edition

Post#663 » May 20 2017 04:18

On another forum I tripped over a T'au tactic topic where people were more ranting than discussing.
"Fighting one dimensionally Armies like Tau".
While on normal circumstances I wouldn't even click that link I was curious what not T'au players would say so close to the release of the 8th edition.
Many things made me think.

T'au are shooty. Fact. No discussion here needed.
But even with all our toys and different loadouts on suits our tactic is mostly the same:
Shoot to ashes before we get slaughtered in hand to hand combat.
As our psychic and combat phase are nearly non-existent and even movement doesn't happen that much (I am looking at you, gunforts!) it's clear what GW had to do for the 8th.

Yes, our shooting might get nerfed (slightly) but it can be a great trade if we, as T'au players, get more versatility. Mobility, something "meleey" and just a little bit less black-and-white for T'au.
Wouldn't it be great if we could again be more than list-writing human dice-tower? ^^

And to the employees rumors: Often they don't know more than us and are guessing too.
A year ago i got told about plastic sisters and he said "they look great". I was thinking of carrying that into the internet. I didn't.
2 months later the plastic sisters rumours started.
Now I am happy I didn't say anything as they were Sisters of Silence for 30k.

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Panzer
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Re: The run to 8th edition

Post#664 » May 20 2017 04:31

Yeah gunline Tau are sure one of the most boring things to play and play against. Just after invincible deathstars. Hence why I concentrate on Stealth Suits, Ghostkeel, Breacher and Pathfinder with some Crisis and Broadsides sprinkled in.

And to the GW staff rumour from a friend (etc.) ... yes indeed almost none of them know anything we don't know unless it's about their business plan which we would see within a few weeks ourselves anyway. In fact people who are active in forums often know more because they know where to find rumours and which to believe and which not.

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Vector Strike
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Re: The run to 8th edition

Post#665 » May 20 2017 06:48

I do'nt expect many nerfs. Seems to me they're uplifting the bad armies from today (like orks or AM) than curring fat from the already good ones. They even mentioned that Grav weapons are basically the same (the pistol now costs 7p!), while the toehr stuff are now better.
Crisis can now fire 3 weapons and shoot after leaving combat! This is quite the buff. Of course, JSJ may go in the way of the dodo, but other armies will suffer with that too (necrons and eldar/corsairs, mostly)

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Re: The run to 8th edition

Post#666 » May 20 2017 07:21

As far as nerfs go, they kinda already did that by taking away formations. Triptide Wing, OSC, Piranha Firestream, Drone Net, pre-FAQ Hunter Cadre, that's the stuff that made us super cheesy. Take that away and I think​ we're average.

One thing I'd love to see is Tau armor that's worth fielding. Based on the profile for the Leman Russ main cannon, I think we can safely anticipate that the heavy rail cannon on a Hammerhead will be d6 damage and a single shot, with AP -4. That still feels a little underpowered compared to the LR though, what with it's d6 hits and d3 wounds. I think they'll probably give it the melta half range rule to boost it. I'm also interested in seeing how our armor compares to other factions. I always thought that we were sort of a halfway faction between IG and Eldar, in that our vehicles could move and shoot, but not move too fast. I'm thinking our vehicles will all be able to move and shoot heavy weapons without any negative modifiers, and our performance will hold up better after being damaged.

In any event, I'm super stoked for 8th.

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Panzer
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Re: The run to 8th edition

Post#667 » May 20 2017 07:35

Not just by taking away formations.
The whole shooting got nerfed a good bit just by changing the core rules. That's all that's need to tone Tau down, really. ;)

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Pyropower
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Re: The run to 8th edition

Post#668 » May 20 2017 09:20

On another forum that I recently gave up on because of a lot of toxic users there was outrage after the faction focus Tau.
Most of the commenters had decided just from that 8th was going to be unbalanced and Tau were going to rule over all.
A few tried defending it but so many people have built up a serious dislike for the army that they wont accept anything different.
I hope the army gets balanced out better and looks to reward players that wont just play gunline. I have only recently gained an interest in Tau but in my short time reading the fluff we really need more bonuses aimed towards mobility, sharp hit and runs, stealthy ambushes. All things to make the game a lot more interesting than a wall of death firing at you

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Panzer
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Re: The run to 8th edition

Post#669 » May 20 2017 09:33

Pyropower wrote:On another forum that I recently gave up on because of a lot of toxic users there was outrage after the faction focus Tau.
Most of the commenters had decided just from that 8th was going to be unbalanced and Tau were going to rule over all.
A few tried defending it but so many people have built up a serious dislike for the army that they wont accept anything different.
I hope the army gets balanced out better and looks to reward players that wont just play gunline. I have only recently gained an interest in Tau but in my short time reading the fluff we really need more bonuses aimed towards mobility, sharp hit and runs, stealthy ambushes. All things to make the game a lot more interesting than a wall of death firing at you


There are a handful of people who are all doom&gloom about every single bit of information we get each day and the discussions they cause with their whining goes on for several pages every time. :D

Edited. - Tael - Lets leave it a generic forum place ;)

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Jefffar
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Re: The run to 8th edition

Post#670 » May 20 2017 09:35

As maligned as our codex was by Tau players in the 5th edition, our 4th edition codex had a lot of mobility in it. Unfortunately the options that made our tanks good were removed or nerfed when the 6th edition codex came about.

The most devastating blow to mobile Tau was Supporting Fire. This rule encouraged bunching up with huge gunlines to the point that GW had to design a defense wall that moved so that Tau firewarriors might actually advance in game.

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