The run to 8th edition

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Re: The run to 8th edition

Post#41 » Apr 25 2017 09:36

The initiative change concerned me a bit, however things like command points and other modifiers may make taking on Elites bit more believable.

I've seen too many instances of thugs attacking experts to know who -really- lands the first punch.

Game world wise, I can see said expert being overwhelmed as the mob swarms over their fallen from experts "reaction skill/event".

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Re: The run to 8th edition

Post#42 » Apr 26 2017 05:11

Well, with 8th's change for cover, our markerlights and pathfinders we might get more profit from terrain than our enemies did.

"Hey bro, wanna put all the terrain on the table?"
"No! There will be pathfinders everywhere!"

I am so excited if I could field my Pathfinders again in a competetive way.

Anyway, the release could be closer than we think as GW is offering refunds to people who bought a BRB/Codex in the last 8 weeks (2 months!). I don't think this would be the case if we had to wait two or more months from now on.
And we get some hellfire of informations. Hard to keep that rhythm if you have to stretch it out for multiple months while keeping customers excited.

Edit: Anyone afraid we might lose our Jump-Shoot-Jump if we look at how SW:A solved our XV25's Jetpack movement?

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Post#43 » Apr 26 2017 06:23

Uhm...not exactly 8th edition but maybe giving hints of future fluff development.

This weeks Rumour Engine post:
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Maybe that means Eldar (possibly the non-Ynnari faction) and Tau become official allies in fluff? That would Tau probably give the ability to appear wherever GW wants them to take part in the bigger Black Crusade campaign thanks to Webway access now.

Of course it would be even more awesome if the Eldar simply join the T'au Empire instead of becoming generic allies! :D
....maybe it's Exodites even. I mean GW already said we'll be seeing more new factions in the future. ;)

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Re: The run to 8th edition

Post#44 » Apr 26 2017 06:32

Ricordis wrote:Edit: Anyone afraid we might lose our Jump-Shoot-Jump if we look at how SW:A solved our XV25's Jetpack movement?


I am not worried as much. The rules for Shadow War seems to be a heavy divergence from the 8th rules, and seem to be a reprint of the Necromunda rules. The changes to WS and BS, as well as Shadow Wars heavy use of Initiative and 8ths total lack of that stat point to them not being very similar.

That said, I am excited to see what the weapon profiles look like today!

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Post#45 » Apr 26 2017 08:24

Age of Sigmar is a good game to look to for 8th edition gameplay.

Been playing AoS last few months, Picked up the new Kharador Overlords and looking over that book really gives a great insight into how 8th edition books will be formatted. I say will be because they touched on that during the Q&A.

I think we are entering a good era for the game. Our great faction the Tau, will have many things to adjust too. Hopefully some of the units we never fielded will be useful.

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Post#46 » Apr 26 2017 10:04

Looks like they just posted the weapon profiles.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/201 ... 0-weapons/

Seeing the Lascannon get a -3 armor mod makes me think there is very little chance that Pulse Rifles will have the -2 they do in Shadow War. The flamer change is also pretty major. I wonder if all template/blast weapons are going to act like that.

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Re: The run to 8th edition

Post#47 » Apr 26 2017 10:09

On the one hand, I am slightly worried about Tau weapons, and the good old days of massed Fire warrior output.

On the other hand, as a Tyranid player too, the changes to combat and movement sound pretty welcoming to me... :)

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Post#48 » Apr 26 2017 10:54

I guess Flamers just got twice as effective for Overwatch.

Either way, D weapons are officially gone and that makes me happy for the inevitable buff to rail weapons.

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Post#49 » Apr 26 2017 11:22

QimRas wrote:I wonder if all template/blast weapons are going to act like that.

They will. It's already confirmed that blasts and scatter dice are gone. ;)

I still need to get used to AP0 Bolter. Suddenly our Pathfinder aren't just cannonfodder! They get a 5+ save against damn Bolter and even better if they are in cover! So happy!

Flamer is interesting. d6 hits is ~3,5 on average so at max range it's more than you could have with a template but if you are close enough to kick them it's less. Then again it's more against single targets so that's pretty nice as well.
Gonna playtest my double flamer Monat a lot in 8th to decide whether I still like him or not. :D


I hope Our Pulse weaponry gets at least AP-1 but I kinda doubt it. S5 is still really good and i'm sure we will still be able to ignore or reduce cover with Markerlights.

Unicornsilovethem wrote:Either way, D weapons are officially gone and that makes me happy for the inevitable buff to rail weapons.

D weapons gone sounds awesome but to be real they just got streamlined into the new system since without super heavies, no cap at 10 for stats and heavy weapons doing multiple damage they aren't that much different anymore.
Can't wait to see how Rail weapons will be in 8th. It's a shame that my favorite weapon is so weak in 7th!

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Post#50 » Apr 26 2017 01:36

Panzer wrote:D weapons gone sounds awesome but to be real they just got streamlined into the new system since without super heavies, no cap at 10 for stats and heavy weapons doing multiple damage they aren't that much different anymore.
Can't wait to see how Rail weapons will be in 8th. It's a shame that my favorite weapon is so weak in 7th!

Well yeah, I mean, we no longer have the single step from the gun that always does one wound immediately up to the one that does 12 wounds. Before anything of 8th was revealed, quite a few people have suggested a form of "D light" for railguns since 1 wound isn't enough and D is stupid. And now we'll probably get something like that. Feels good man, even if there are still old D guns that still outshine it. I glued the railguns to my Hammerhead and haven't been able to use Ion since figuring out it's usually much better

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Re: The run to 8th edition

Post#51 » Apr 26 2017 03:27

The big advantage in my opinion with something like W6 damage is the linear scale. If such kind of linear scale stays even with more powerful weapons i will be very happy.

What has bugged my a lot with d weapon and other is the principle of 1=no effect, 2-5=some slight effect, 6=dead dead dead!

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Re: The run to 8th edition

Post#52 » Apr 26 2017 04:46

8th Edition - Return of the Railgun
If the Heavy Railrifle comes with the same stats with the LasGun it might be a huge buff comparing to the HYMP. While both might be able to generate the same amount of wounds the HRR may distribute them to only one model but with a far higher chance by being stronger.

I'd like to know how weapons do interact with FnP if it will be a thing in the next edition.
(I started to field HRRs against Death Companies because they are better at killing at least one marine than the missiles are)

D6 wounds is a really broad spectrum. Starting with "Oh man, useless shot" up to "Oh my god! It just atomized your model!"
D3+1 maybe? Does GW work with these RPG-esque stalines? ^^

Anyone an idea how deep strikes might work without scatter dice?
Or initiative based rules/equipment like defense grenades or vectored retro thrusters?

Edit:
On that picture Panzer posted; I see a Farseer rune (Aeldari), some kind of strange T'au sept marking and both seem to be part of a circle. Also there's a skull with jaw-claws, i think. Tyranids or Gene-Stealers maybe? Could lead to the Xenos Book Cover.
But that T'au symbol still bothers me.
Maybe some changes due copyrights? That symbol was pretty recent and on the long term Eldar, Tau, Orks etc. will be renamed.
Or...well...it looks fragmented. Fragmented T'au...strong symbolism.

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Re: The run to 8th edition

Post#53 » Apr 26 2017 07:20

I'm not convinced that symbol is tau in origin.

As for deepstrike I imagine it will be much like Age of Sigmar where the unit simply lands where you want it to but has to stay at least 9" (or another number if they decide that is too close for 40k).
It makes deepstrike much more reliable and still limits some powerful abilities. Such as wraithguard with flamers wouldn't be able to shoot anyone the turn they came down because they would be 1" out of range.
I expect a lot will be like AoS since it is a really great rule set that a lot of people are really getting into right now.
Also would think the pulse weapons are going to be ap0. That will probably be the majority of weapons really just like in AoS. -1 is actually pretty rare in the game.

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Post#54 » Apr 26 2017 08:19

fraction64 wrote:I'm not convinced that symbol is tau in origin.


FYI It's Tash'var, only it's upside down. :nice:
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Re: The run to 8th edition

Post#55 » Apr 26 2017 10:51

Tash'Var is definitely the closest of the existing ones but still slightly different.
Might be because it's some symbol on a stone ring thingy....or because it's a new Tau symbol. Nothing stopping GW from inventing a new Sept with advancing the story (especially because some of the existing ones don't even have a symbol yet). ;)

It's already confirmed that S = 2xT is no instant death anymore, so I doubt it'll affect FnP the way we're used to in 8th.

D6 wounds could really bring the Railcannon back. Can't wait to field my Railhead Longstrike again. :)
I hope it will still be a Lascannon++ with better strength and better AP.....or maybe finally a beam mechanic (a man can dream, okay?!) :D

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Re: The run to 8th edition

Post#56 » Apr 27 2017 12:29

A wild theory and probably not correct is that it is a Ambull skull.

Also someone did photoshopping of the picture and if it's a clock there should be 12 faces. Accounting for every single xenos faction and sub faction today that would leave two blank spots on the clock if it is a xenos clock. Why do people think it's a clock? Because it matches the theme of the Imperium clock they made for the GS trilogy.

However the most likely scenario is that this is the xenos book mentioned that is a collection for 8th. However Age of Sigmar has hidden clues for new factions far in advance of their new releases quite often. So even if it's just the 8th editon xenos book doesn't mean it can't be hiding additional secrets.

Edit
If this is hinting at an eventual new xenos race I am going to flip out in joy.

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Post#57 » Apr 27 2017 01:50

Edit
If this is hinting at an eventual new xenos race I am going to flip out in joy.

You and me both :D

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Re: The run to 8th edition

Post#58 » Apr 27 2017 01:55

I won't stop hoping for Exodites Tau Auxillarys until confirmed otherwise. I want an army with giant mechs and dinosaurs! :D

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