The run to 8th edition

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Re: The run to 8th edition

Post#651 » May 19 2017 11:09

Imperial Knights focus is out:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/201 ... l-knights/

Not too sure how I feel about it so far, they seem to be great at range and CC with no real weaknesses. Especially with a 360 Ion Shield
I am happy to see my Trygon might be dishing out some good damage though.

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Post#652 » May 19 2017 11:16

Is any one else actually excited about the prospect of close combat being worth investing in?

So many players I've seen saying dedicated cc units aren't even worth putting on the table these days. If the balance between ranged and close combat is restored a bit I'm looking forward to seeing more variety on the table than whatever marine formation puts out the most shots for the least points.

Also kroot might find more use than being a speed bump or pretending to be snipers. I'm not naiive, I know they'll never be stellar cc fighters but i'd expect them to be able to take on a stock tactical marine squad and have a good chance of living to tell the tale.

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Post#653 » May 19 2017 11:19

Well as a long term Nid player I am extremely happy about the return of close combat. My guys were already pretty good at it, but getting there was always my challenge especially with so many low AP weapons out there.
As someone who is just picking up Tau because I want a new army. Kind of scared as all I hear is that Tau get chewed up in combat. Gonna keep as mobile as possible and run away from those khorne beserkers

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Post#654 » May 19 2017 11:38

I played a massive 15,000 pt a side battle in the summer which was Tau, Nids and Orks vs SM and IG. Aside from being a great weekend I did find that a mob of 150 boyz did fail when up against a 15 man terminator squad that deepstriked next to them whereas the Nids did quite well getting all up close and personal. It was a bit of "who could shoot the biggest gun" though and I think that game would be great to re-play in 8th as our (the Xenos) side had the majority of the cc units.
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Post#655 » May 19 2017 12:12

Well if you show up with 5 supremacy suits and they are still broken strong for their points (assuming you can fit them in) then your opponent can just say "naw I'm good " and play someone else. Though it is entirely possible that it has been balanced well enough against other units that almost any army would actually stand a chance for the same points.
On another note I am interested in the replacement for stomps the knight article mentioned and how that will work for the stormsurge.

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Post#656 » May 19 2017 01:27

fraction64 wrote:Well if you show up with 5 supremacy suits and they are still broken strong for their points (assuming you can fit them in) then your opponent can just say "naw I'm good " and play someone else. Though it is entirely possible that it has been balanced well enough against other units that almost any army would actually stand a chance for the same points.
On another note I am interested in the replacement for stomps the knight article mentioned and how that will work for the stormsurge.

Sure they can say that. But if they say it in a tournament, they'll lose points, and the 5xLOW player will advance without even having to try.

This new ed was advertised as being much better balanced than previous ones. While maybe not specifically stated, that should include diminishing the reliance on LOW choices and making regular Infantry more useful than before. Today's news seems to be a step in the wrong direction because it allows any army to bring 5 arbitrary LOWs. They've already told us how you need 500 lasgun shots to bring down a Gorkanaut, what the hell are those armies supposed to do against 5 even bigger guys?

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Post#657 » May 19 2017 01:37

Well I would bring more than lasguns for one. A varied army should be able to deal with these guys much better than it used to. Now all weapons can hurt them and quite a few that were garbage against them are now pretty good. Even a heavy bolter is a threat to a knight so I don't see them stomping over entire armies anymore. Plus a knight in its last damage catagory is kind of a joke. You would feel bad for it as he limps across the field firing blindly like an ork. Please just put it out of its misery already. :::(

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Post#658 » May 19 2017 01:46

Unicornsilovethem wrote:This new ed was advertised as being much better balanced than previous ones. While maybe not specifically stated, that should include diminishing the reliance on LOW choices and making regular Infantry more useful than before. Today's news seems to be a step in the wrong direction because it allows any army to bring 5 arbitrary LOWs. They've already told us how you need 500 lasgun shots to bring down a Gorkanaut, what the hell are those armies supposed to do against 5 even bigger guys?

Use something else than a 100% Lasgun infantry army in tournaments? :D

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Post#659 » May 19 2017 03:00

Panzer wrote:
Unicornsilovethem wrote:This new ed was advertised as being much better balanced than previous ones. While maybe not specifically stated, that should include diminishing the reliance on LOW choices and making regular Infantry more useful than before. Today's news seems to be a step in the wrong direction because it allows any army to bring 5 arbitrary LOWs. They've already told us how you need 500 lasgun shots to bring down a Gorkanaut, what the hell are those armies supposed to do against 5 even bigger guys?

Use something else than a 100% Lasgun infantry army in tournaments? :D


Pretty likely to happen. Like us, one of the selling points of IG is their versatility and variety of arms they can put on a table.

On our side i'm willing to bet that some focused fire from rail and fusion weapons will bring down a knight without too much fuss. Unlike the last game I had with a knight that sat and soaked railguns all game whilst not giving a flying monkeys about anything else on the table for that matter. Now even with an ion shield they have the same invuln as a terminator which anyone who has fielded or shot at terminators knows can't be relied on to save them.

In a sortof realistic turn of events I imagine knights will need ground support. It was mentioned that they'll be more vulnerable in CC (due to lacking that ion shield I guess). If you've got nothing but knights what's stopping infantry from swamping them with melta bombs, haywire and even krak.

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Post#661 » May 19 2017 09:41

I think tht=at GW will probably nerf us. I mean, we ARE one of the most OPAF races in the 40k universe. So it's incredible that they haven't hit us with the nerf bat just yet. I think that our Battlesuits (especially the stealthsuit units). But putting nerfing aside, I think it's safe to say that with the current imperial dating system at the year 999 of the 41st millennium, we might see the 42nd millennium in 8th edition. As well as this, we also might see buffing of our burst cannons, infantry weapons and drone units. Also, I have a uncle whose best friend works for GW, and he says his friend hinted that GW is going to give us new battle brothers. Proper ones....
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Post#662 » May 20 2017 03:56

Vio'ra Mal'caor wrote:Also, I have a uncle whose best friend works for GW, and he says his friend hinted that GW is going to give us new battle brothers. Proper ones....


I'd be careful with second hand news, even if from supposed GW staff. Its all rumour until confirmed by GW themselves, although I would really love to see some close allies for the Tau.
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Post#663 » May 20 2017 04:18

On another forum I tripped over a T'au tactic topic where people were more ranting than discussing.
"Fighting one dimensionally Armies like Tau".
While on normal circumstances I wouldn't even click that link I was curious what not T'au players would say so close to the release of the 8th edition.
Many things made me think.

T'au are shooty. Fact. No discussion here needed.
But even with all our toys and different loadouts on suits our tactic is mostly the same:
Shoot to ashes before we get slaughtered in hand to hand combat.
As our psychic and combat phase are nearly non-existent and even movement doesn't happen that much (I am looking at you, gunforts!) it's clear what GW had to do for the 8th.

Yes, our shooting might get nerfed (slightly) but it can be a great trade if we, as T'au players, get more versatility. Mobility, something "meleey" and just a little bit less black-and-white for T'au.
Wouldn't it be great if we could again be more than list-writing human dice-tower? ^^

And to the employees rumors: Often they don't know more than us and are guessing too.
A year ago i got told about plastic sisters and he said "they look great". I was thinking of carrying that into the internet. I didn't.
2 months later the plastic sisters rumours started.
Now I am happy I didn't say anything as they were Sisters of Silence for 30k.

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Re: The run to 8th edition

Post#664 » May 20 2017 04:31

Yeah gunline Tau are sure one of the most boring things to play and play against. Just after invincible deathstars. Hence why I concentrate on Stealth Suits, Ghostkeel, Breacher and Pathfinder with some Crisis and Broadsides sprinkled in.

And to the GW staff rumour from a friend (etc.) ... yes indeed almost none of them know anything we don't know unless it's about their business plan which we would see within a few weeks ourselves anyway. In fact people who are active in forums often know more because they know where to find rumours and which to believe and which not.

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Re: The run to 8th edition

Post#665 » May 20 2017 06:48

I do'nt expect many nerfs. Seems to me they're uplifting the bad armies from today (like orks or AM) than curring fat from the already good ones. They even mentioned that Grav weapons are basically the same (the pistol now costs 7p!), while the toehr stuff are now better.
Crisis can now fire 3 weapons and shoot after leaving combat! This is quite the buff. Of course, JSJ may go in the way of the dodo, but other armies will suffer with that too (necrons and eldar/corsairs, mostly)

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Post#666 » May 20 2017 07:21

As far as nerfs go, they kinda already did that by taking away formations. Triptide Wing, OSC, Piranha Firestream, Drone Net, pre-FAQ Hunter Cadre, that's the stuff that made us super cheesy. Take that away and I think​ we're average.

One thing I'd love to see is Tau armor that's worth fielding. Based on the profile for the Leman Russ main cannon, I think we can safely anticipate that the heavy rail cannon on a Hammerhead will be d6 damage and a single shot, with AP -4. That still feels a little underpowered compared to the LR though, what with it's d6 hits and d3 wounds. I think they'll probably give it the melta half range rule to boost it. I'm also interested in seeing how our armor compares to other factions. I always thought that we were sort of a halfway faction between IG and Eldar, in that our vehicles could move and shoot, but not move too fast. I'm thinking our vehicles will all be able to move and shoot heavy weapons without any negative modifiers, and our performance will hold up better after being damaged.

In any event, I'm super stoked for 8th.

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Re: The run to 8th edition

Post#667 » May 20 2017 07:35

Not just by taking away formations.
The whole shooting got nerfed a good bit just by changing the core rules. That's all that's need to tone Tau down, really. ;)

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Post#668 » May 20 2017 09:20

On another forum that I recently gave up on because of a lot of toxic users there was outrage after the faction focus Tau.
Most of the commenters had decided just from that 8th was going to be unbalanced and Tau were going to rule over all.
A few tried defending it but so many people have built up a serious dislike for the army that they wont accept anything different.
I hope the army gets balanced out better and looks to reward players that wont just play gunline. I have only recently gained an interest in Tau but in my short time reading the fluff we really need more bonuses aimed towards mobility, sharp hit and runs, stealthy ambushes. All things to make the game a lot more interesting than a wall of death firing at you

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