Panzer wrote: Yojimbob wrote:
Curious, what is your rational for saying 'definitely', I'd like to know how to explain it to my opponent
The wording in the main rulebook has that ranged weapons shoot and they make a number of attacks with it. If something makes an additional shot it gets +1 added to the shooting profile. In the case of Assault 2 weapons, they become assault 3. In the case of RF 1 weapons, they go to RF 2.
Actually with the reasoning that 1 shooting = multiple attacks (as in the profile), wouldn't an additional shot not mean to do the amount of attacks the weapon has once more? So Assault2 weapon with an additional shot would be 2xAssault2?
Yep, since that would preserve the ability to direct shots at different targets (but not attacks) - under the "shooting a weapon" understanding of the term "shot", you would get one shot with a weapon (1 or 2 for Pulse Rifles, 2 for Pulse Carbines), and if you qualified for the second shot, you would get a second shot with a weapon (2 for Pulse Rifles, since the condition requires half-range anyway, and 2 for Pulse Carbines).
I mean the problem is that the core rules don't talk about "shots" but only about "shooting a weapon" and "making attacks". So it's most likely an oversight/copy&paste problem in the rules wording. RAI imo is that Fireblade gives an additional "attack" at half range per weapon.
I agree with you mostly, though they do use the term "shot" several times - when talking about Rapid Fire weapons, when talking about how targetting works (you can split shots, but can't split attacks), and in an example with Death Guard (where shot is used as if it was attack).
I totally agree with the RAI.
Also nowhere it says that that the Fireblade modifies the weapons profile.
Rapidfire1 doesn't become Rapidfire2. That would result in 2 additional attacks at half range. Rapidfire1 stays Rapidfire1 and you simply do one more attack per weapon at half range. Just as it's written (except that they used the term "shot" instead of "attack" because of herp derp).
Assault2 also doesn't become Assault3 at half range, even though that wouldn't make any difference.
I for one will play it as I always did. Firewarrior with a Pulse Rifles or Pulse Carbines will have 3 shots at half range, not 4.
Gun Drones because the way it's worded benefit twice from it so they get 6 shots at half range.
Just exchange the word "shot" with "attack" and the rule becomes clear as day. There simply is no term as "shot" in the rules.
Mostly agreed, except (again) the term "shot" is used in the rules.
It is used inconsistently, so its usefulness as a term is crap, but it is a term used in GW rules nonetheless.
That's exactly why this needs a FAQ - the RAI seems clear, but the RAW uses undefined terms that sow confusion (the exact opposite of what you want in rules).