Prophet224 wrote:Well, for the record I am definitely with Khayan on the "empire not sept-level" issue. I think my frustration is simply around being forced to say your army is xyz in order to build it a certain way when it is really built as something else. I don't know about SM players but it seems that Tau folks like their fluff and their varying septworlds. But as I have said before - I am still new so have less XP with all of this.
Also they have opened up a way to drop a potential 3rd Tau empire in. If we want options of different play styles (and we do - options are good) that feels like the right way to do it. I mean - SM chapters paint to their chapter, Tau are more logical - "let's do what makes sense... put some camo on darnit." To me that means SN might not play well with others but Tau are more interested in efficiency than not training with someone from a different sept.
Also I can see certain buffs coming from training with someone but why would a particularly amazing leader not be sent to train with teams where they are needed? We (USA) trained our army navy and marines for over a year to integrate and take Iwo Jima in WWII... it isn't unprecedented.
All that said - if the sept thing is only an issue internal to detachments, I might be ok with that... I think that works in general; I'd like to see different septs working together. I just want a way to represent my army and play style without having to say "oh. well I guess they are from that planet over there after all, since Darkstrider is a key component."
PS - Sorry for bringing it up again; I was away while the discussion was going strong!
It's a bit harder for the T'au Empire to share "leader" between Septs. T'au have relatively short lives and Firewarrior are constantly fighting for the Empire. Longstrike is no exception, he'd be around for quite some time now and he is way more valuable on the battlefield together with the trained squad of Hammerhead pilots instead of leaving them alone to roughly train another squad somewhere else in the Empire.
On top of that, it's not like the Sept is only a few hours away. T'au don't have real warp travel and it takes them some time to get from planet to planet.
You're also not really forced to say anything. You could just as fine play a "T'au Empire" army with all the characters and styles you want. But then you trade the Sept bonuses for less restrictions.
That's how 8th is designed and no mourning is going to change that....and so far most people on the internet actually think it's a pretty good design. At least miles better than 7th formation system.
EDIT: woops I'm not on B&C. Guess we need a multi-quote function here as well.