AnonAmbientLight wrote:You all failed to get the point. Space Wolves still can't play Space Wolves with a codex even though other Imperial books are out. "But they can proxy them!" isn't an excuse. Players don't WANT to play another codex, they want to play their own codex.
You seriously have to look at each codex as their own thing, because overlapping them into soups doesn't work as you lose all of the benefits within the codex the moment you mix units in the same detachment.
Having a Adeptus Custodes codex helps NO OTHER FACTION but the Adeptus Custodes. It's not a "win" for Imperial armies, it's a win for Adeptus Custodes armies. Does this make sense?
They can play their armies with meaningfull rules that are very close to what their armies play like
Space wolf codex is little more then a flavour of ultramarine codex and I am sure any group or opponent outside tournament is going to be fine if you play space wolves as wolves with ultramarines stats before codex drops unless they are toxic ofc, but I doubt more then one or two opponents will play your house tau rules, not even bothering to see if they are balanced and actually better for the game then the index mess
And don't get me wrong, wolves are my favorite loyalists, it's just clear that they don't need codex half as bad as we do and same goes for any "flavour of" armies
Of course SW players want to play with new rules as bad as we do, but they have CA points adjustments, the option to use and choose index rules and rules from other loyalists codices, they know what kind of rules and stats they can expect, they know what units are likely to be used, clearly we need the codex way more then they do, the only units we know we will use from the whole codex are drones and pathfinders, the rest is in the stars, which limits our purchase choices, which hinders our hobbying
And to adress the "points values in CA wouldn't make sense" they promised to give us taste of codex and bring us a bit in line with codex armies, they could easily share rules and points for one or two units we don't use (broadsides, tetras) to calm the community, give us something to work with and play with without breaking the balance, even giving us different, guessed points values for these just to give us something, so this is why I discarded the "wouldn't make sense" argument in my post earlier
Also to adress the hostility towards Jacket, from most of his posts I've red, he didn't strike me as trolling once, hes just pessimistic voice in overly optimistic environment
I may come out pessimistic myself, but I am a realist, and my points come from solid information we have, as I've already stated, and that's pretty negative information so far