Battalion 750pts

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Ar'Che'R
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Battalion 750pts

Post#1 » Oct 22 2017 03:00

How do you think? Is it worth buying and playing?
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Battalion - 750

HQ 1 - Longstrike (SMS) - 187
HQ 2 - Cadre Fireblade - 39

TR 1 - Strike Team (10 Fire Warrior) - 16
TR 2 - Strike Team (10 Fire Warrior) - 16
TR 3 - Strike Team (10 Fire Warrior) - 16
TR 4 - Strike Team (10 Fire Warrior) - 16
TR 5 - Strike Team (10 Fire Warrior) - 16

FA 1 - Pathfinder Team (10 Pathfinder) - 10
FA 2 - Pathfinder Team (10 Pathfinder) - 10
FA 3 - Pathfinder Team (10 Pathfinder) - 10

HS 1 - TX7 Hummerhead Gunship (SMS, Ion Cannon) - 212
HS 2 - TX7 Hummerhead Gunship (SMS, Ion Cannon) - 212

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Re: Battalion 750pts

Post#2 » Oct 22 2017 03:15

*Hammerhead

And uhm sure, if you want to play non-mechanized Infantry list with some tank support it's okay. Definitely not the strongest list but should do okay in casual games.

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Re: Battalion 750pts

Post#3 » Oct 22 2017 03:23

Panzer wrote:non-mechanized Infantry list with some tank support

I'd prefer to play suits' roaster, but can't make something playable. Can you advice some variants on 750pts?

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Re: Battalion 750pts

Post#4 » Oct 22 2017 03:31

Sorry I don't really play such low point games, however what's effective doesn't change when you play lower point games really. Gun Drones and Commander will still be the best thing to bring for us.

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Re: Battalion 750pts

Post#5 » Oct 22 2017 04:31

Panzer wrote:Gun Drones and Commander

Usual Gun Drones, not Marker Drones? And what upgrades do you use for Commander?

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Re: Battalion 750pts

Post#6 » Oct 22 2017 04:57

Ar'Che'R wrote:
Panzer wrote:Gun Drones and Commander

Usual Gun Drones, not Marker Drones? And what upgrades do you use for Commander?

Yeah usual Gun Drones. They are more durable, have more utility and provide more damage output than Fire Warrior and cost the same.

Commander are variable. Quad Fusion Blaster is the most favorited loadout but CIB and Missile Pods are good as well.

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Re: Battalion 750pts

Post#7 » Oct 22 2017 05:04

I don't know if i'm missing something, but here i see a total of 1290 points.
10 fire warriors are worth 80, not 16. Same for pathfinders.

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Re: Battalion 750pts

Post#8 » Oct 22 2017 05:11

Klapaucius87 wrote:I don't know if i'm missing something, but here i see a total of 1290 points.
10 fire warriors are worth 80, not 16. Same for pathfinders.

Heh, you're right. Didn't even look at the points since I just assume people to use Battlescribe. :D

@Ar'Che'R
Your Firewarrior and Pathfinder alone would already be 640p.
Longstrike should be more expensive as well (you can't just play him without the main gun. With SMS and a Railgun he'd cost 215p.
Cadre Fireblade costs 42p.

Overall your posted list would come out at 1321p instead of 750p. Now I know why it felt so off. :P
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Re: Battalion 750pts

Post#9 » Oct 22 2017 07:22

Ar'Che'R wrote:How do you think? Is it worth buying and playing?
Battalion - 750

HQ 1 - Longstrike (SMS) - 187
HQ 2 - Cadre Fireblade - 39

TR 1 - Strike Team (10 Fire Warrior) - 16
TR 2 - Strike Team (10 Fire Warrior) - 16
TR 3 - Strike Team (10 Fire Warrior) - 16
TR 4 - Strike Team (10 Fire Warrior) - 16
TR 5 - Strike Team (10 Fire Warrior) - 16

FA 1 - Pathfinder Team (10 Pathfinder) - 10
FA 2 - Pathfinder Team (10 Pathfinder) - 10
FA 3 - Pathfinder Team (10 Pathfinder) - 10

HS 1 - TX7 Hummerhead Gunship (SMS, Ion Cannon) - 212
HS 2 - TX7 Hummerhead Gunship (SMS, Ion Cannon) - 212


I take it you're a new player Ar'Che'R? Don't worry! We'll be happy to help. It seems like you've mixed up Power Level and Points here. When you write an army list, calculate the points unit-by-unit. First, add up the base costs for the number of models in the unit, then add the cost for each piece of wargear equipped by each model. For example, for the Fireblade, this means his base cost plus the cost of his Markerlight.

So, with the points calculated correctly, your list would look like this:

HQ - Cadre Fireblade w/ Markerlight (42)
HQ - Longstrike w/ Railgun, 2x SMS (215)
Troops - 10x Fire Warriors (80)
Troops - 10x Fire Warriors (80)
Troops - 10x Fire Warriors (80)
Troops - 10x Fire Warriors (80)
Troops - 10x Fire Warriors (80)
Fast Attack - 10x Pathfinders (80)
Fast Attack - 10x Pathfinders (80)
Fast Attack - 10x Pathfinders (80)
Heavy Support - Hammerhead Gunship w/ Ion Cannon, 2x SMS (212)
Heavy Support - Hammerhead Gunship w/ Ion Cannon, 2x SMS (212)

Of course, this adds up to 1321 points, almost double what you're allowed in a 750-point list!

Also, when making an army list, there are two important things to remember. First, make sure your army has a balance of units to engage every threat you might encounter on the table. Ask yourself- how would my list deal with an Imperial Knight, or a Land Raider, or a Tyrannofex? Second, make sure your units have wargear that maximizes their effectiveness. For example, when all of your Hammerheads are hitting on 2+ (or better with the support of Pathfinders), why not equip them with Seeker Missiles?

So, let's say you want to make a 750-point army list using three Hammerheads. Hammerheads are very expensive, but this list could be possible. It'd look something like this:

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HQ - Longstrike w/ Railgun, 2x SMS, 2x Seeker Missiles (225)
Fast Attack - 5x Gun Drones (40)
Fast Attack - 5x Gun Drones (40)
Fast Attack - 8x Pathfinders (64)
Heavy Support - Hammerhead Gunship w/ Ion Cannon, 2x Seeker Missiles; 2x Gun Drones (199)
Heavy Support - Hammerhead Gunship w/ Railgun, 2x Seeker Missiles; 2x Gun Drones (181)

Total: 750 - Command Points: 4 (Outrider Detachment)

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I don't really think it's a good list, but it does include three Hammerheads. Anyway, if you're interested in making a solid competitive list, consider the following additional units:

Commanders
XV8s
Stealthsuits

Do you have any of those? If so, we might want to add them in too!

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Re: Battalion 750pts

Post#10 » Oct 23 2017 01:23

Arka0415 wrote:I take it you're a new player Ar'Che'R?

Not really, but it's first time I'm making an army list. I've played two times, using my friends army, but it was during 7th edition.
Arka0415 wrote:Total: 750 - Command Points: 4 (Outrider Detachment)

Thanks for Outrider Detachment)
Arka0415 wrote:Do you have any of those? If so, we might want to add them in too!

I have almost everything, but big suits like Riptide and flyers
Can you help me to make a 750pts army with using suits only?

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Re: Battalion 750pts

Post#11 » Oct 23 2017 03:13

Here's what I would run if only using suits in 750pts it's not great but may be fun and a bit difficult for some armies to deal with at such low points levels


++ Vanguard Detachment +1CP (T'au Empire) [35 PL, 749pts] ++

+ HQ +

Commander [7 PL, 168pts]: 4x Fusion blaster, MV4 Shield Drone

+ Elites +

XV25 Stealth Battlesuits [6 PL, 134pts]: Homing beacon
. 2x Stealth Shas'ui w/ Advanced targeting system: 2x Advanced targeting system, 2x Burst cannon
. Stealth Shas'vre: Advanced targeting system, Burst cannon

XV8 Crisis Battlesuits [11 PL, 240pts]
. Crisis Shas'ui: 2x Cyclic ion blaster, Multi-tracker
. Crisis Shas'ui: 2x Cyclic ion blaster, Multi-tracker
. Crisis Shas'vre: 2x Cyclic ion blaster, Multi-tracker

XV8 Crisis Battlesuits [11 PL, 207pts]
. Crisis Shas'ui: 3x Flamer
. Crisis Shas'ui: 3x Flamer
. Crisis Shas'vre: 3x Flamer

++ Total: [35 PL, 749pts] ++

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The CIB suits have multi tracker because
1. No room for markerlight.
2. Ran out of points :biggrin:

Fairly simple in theory only deploy CIB suits and stealth suits you should be going first. Use stealth suits Homing beacon to get Flamer XV8s within 8" on turn 1 drop to torch biggest infantry threat and drop QFC next to whatever armour is most troublesome then shot stealth suits and CIB and whatever is left.

Good luck :fear:

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Re: Battalion 750pts

Post#12 » Oct 23 2017 05:16

Nymphomanius wrote:Here's what I would run if only using suits in 750pts it's not great but may be fun and a bit difficult for some armies to deal with at such low points levels


++ Vanguard Detachment +1CP (T'au Empire) [35 PL, 749pts] ++

+ HQ +

Commander [7 PL, 168pts]: 4x Fusion blaster, MV4 Shield Drone

+ Elites +

XV25 Stealth Battlesuits [6 PL, 134pts]: Homing beacon
. 2x Stealth Shas'ui w/ Advanced targeting system: 2x Advanced targeting system, 2x Burst cannon
. Stealth Shas'vre: Advanced targeting system, Burst cannon

XV8 Crisis Battlesuits [11 PL, 240pts]
. Crisis Shas'ui: 2x Cyclic ion blaster, Multi-tracker
. Crisis Shas'ui: 2x Cyclic ion blaster, Multi-tracker
. Crisis Shas'vre: 2x Cyclic ion blaster, Multi-tracker

XV8 Crisis Battlesuits [11 PL, 207pts]
. Crisis Shas'ui: 3x Flamer
. Crisis Shas'ui: 3x Flamer
. Crisis Shas'vre: 3x Flamer

++ Total: [35 PL, 749pts] ++

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The CIB suits have multi tracker because
1. No room for markerlight.
2. Ran out of points :biggrin:

Fairly simple in theory only deploy CIB suits and stealth suits you should be going first. Use stealth suits Homing beacon to get Flamer XV8s within 8" on turn 1 drop to torch biggest infantry threat and drop QFC next to whatever armour is most troublesome then shot stealth suits and CIB and whatever is left.

Good luck :fear:

I'd really try to add Drones for the Crisis Suits. Crisis without Drones are terrible. The are way too expensive for how fast they'd die.
Writing a list with two Crisis units at such a low point level is almost impossible unfortunately.

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Re: Battalion 750pts

Post#13 » Oct 23 2017 07:50

Ok so if you swap out the stealth suits for a Firesight marksman and some drones and upgrade thw flamers to CIB and Multi-tracker to ATS it will look like this and is a lot of str7 ap-2 shots for 750pts

++ Vanguard Detachment +1CP (T'au Empire) [32 PL, 748pts] ++

+ HQ +

Commander [7 PL, 176pts]: 4x Fusion blaster, 2x MV4 Shield Drone

+ Elites +

Firesight Marksman [1 PL, 24pts]: Markerlight

XV8 Crisis Battlesuits [12 PL, 274pts]: 2x MV1 Gun Drone
. Crisis Shas'ui: Advanced targeting system, 2x Cyclic ion blaster
. Crisis Shas'ui: Advanced targeting system, 2x Cyclic ion blaster
. Crisis Shas'vre: Advanced targeting system, 2x Cyclic ion blaster

XV8 Crisis Battlesuits [12 PL, 274pts]: 2x MV1 Gun Drone
. Crisis Shas'ui: Advanced targeting system, 2x Cyclic ion blaster
. Crisis Shas'ui: Advanced targeting system, 2x Cyclic ion blaster
. Crisis Shas'vre: Advanced targeting system, 2x Cyclic ion blaster

++ Total: [32 PL, 748pts] ++

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Re: Battalion 750pts

Post#14 » Oct 23 2017 07:53

I was obviously talking about more than just two Drones per squad...

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Post#15 » Oct 23 2017 08:22

Panzer wrote:I was obviously talking about more than just two Drones per squad...


I guessed but that's really the best I can do without sacrificing CIBs for say plasma or flamers or burst cannons or dropping the ATS on each member for an extra drone each.

Got any suggestions?

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Re: Battalion 750pts

Post#16 » Oct 23 2017 08:30

Yeah I'd suggest taking only one Crisis unit in such a small point list. They're really too expensive and too dependent on the rest of the army to take more than one in small point games.

I also wouldn't recommend a full suit list, but if we'd try to enforce such a list you'd need to add Marker Drones with a Drone Controller somewhere or give every suit Multi-tracker (not recommended). Re-rolling 1s is crucial with our bad base BS.
It won't be a good list anyway and be more of a Drone list with added suits due how useful they are to Battlesuits but it is as it is.
That being said, a Flamer Crisis unit with 6 Shield Drones should be rather hard to crack for an enemy with a 750p allcomers list. Just make sure you have enough anti-tank stuff as well since there's stuff like 100p Assault Cannon Razorbacks and super cheap Leman Russ tanks out there which would really ruin your day without some Quad Fusion Commander (and probably even with them if it's a tankspam list).

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Post#17 » Oct 23 2017 09:49

Yeah tbh if you go against AM and they're going for tank spam in 750pts I'd use this list which would be very difficult to deal with.


++ Spearhead Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Astra Militarum) [42 PL, 750pts] ++

+ Uncategorised +

Regiment: Valhallan

+ HQ +

Tank Commander [12 PL, 213pts]: Heavy Bolter, Heavy Bolters, KUROV’S AQUILA, Storm Bolter
. Command Punisher: Turret-mounted Punisher Gatling Cannon

+ Heavy Support +

Leman Russ Battle Tanks [10 PL, 221pts]
. Leman Russ Demolisher: Heavy Flamer, Heavy Flamers, Hunter-Killer Missile, Storm Bolter, Turret-mounted Demolisher Siege Cannon

Leman Russ Battle Tanks [10 PL, 158pts]
. Leman Russ Executioner: Heavy Bolter, Hunter-Killer Missile, Storm Bolter, Turret-mounted Executioner Plasma Cannon

Leman Russ Battle Tanks [10 PL, 158pts]
. Leman Russ Executioner: Heavy Bolter, Hunter-Killer Missile, Storm Bolter, Turret-mounted Executioner Plasma Cannon

++ Total: [42 PL, 750pts] ++

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Anyone who doesn't know what the valhallan detachment does it let's vehicles count their wounds as double for the damage chart so you would have to drop a lemun Russ to 3 wounds before it gets any worse!!

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Re: Battalion 750pts

Post#18 » Oct 23 2017 11:25

Nymphomanius wrote:Yeah tbh if you go against AM and they're going for tank spam in 750pts I'd use this list which would be very difficult to deal with.


++ Spearhead Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Astra Militarum) [42 PL, 750pts] ++

+ Uncategorised +

Regiment: Valhallan

+ HQ +

Tank Commander [12 PL, 213pts]: Heavy Bolter, Heavy Bolters, KUROV’S AQUILA, Storm Bolter
. Command Punisher: Turret-mounted Punisher Gatling Cannon

+ Heavy Support +

Leman Russ Battle Tanks [10 PL, 221pts]
. Leman Russ Demolisher: Heavy Flamer, Heavy Flamers, Hunter-Killer Missile, Storm Bolter, Turret-mounted Demolisher Siege Cannon

Leman Russ Battle Tanks [10 PL, 158pts]
. Leman Russ Executioner: Heavy Bolter, Hunter-Killer Missile, Storm Bolter, Turret-mounted Executioner Plasma Cannon

Leman Russ Battle Tanks [10 PL, 158pts]
. Leman Russ Executioner: Heavy Bolter, Hunter-Killer Missile, Storm Bolter, Turret-mounted Executioner Plasma Cannon

++ Total: [42 PL, 750pts] ++

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Anyone who doesn't know what the valhallan detachment does it let's vehicles count their wounds as double for the damage chart so you would have to drop a lemun Russ to 3 wounds before it gets any worse!!

Yeah and with Space Marines you could play something like:

HQ
Captain

Heavy Support
Predator, Hunter-killer missile, Storm Bolter, Twin Lascannon
Predator, Hunter-killer missile, Storm Bolter, Twin Lascannon
Predator, Hunter-killer missile, Storm Bolter, Twin Lascannon

Dedicated Transports
Razorback, Hunter-killer missile, Storm Bolter, Twin assault cannon
Razorback, Hunter-killer missile, Storm Bolter, Twin assault cannon

Enjoy eating 6 Lascannon shots, 24 S6 AP-1 shots, 10 Bolter shots each turn plus the 5 S8 AP-2 D1d6 missiles once a game at BS3+, rerolling 1s.
Of course Ultramarine so they can fall back and keep shooting (at -1 to-hit). :P
Comes out at 749 points with a little bit equip on the Captain (Combi-plasma and a Sanctic Halo for a 3++ and deny the witch).

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