Nymphomanius wrote:Let's take 10 Marines with standard bolter rapid fire range.
66% chance to hit so 13.2 hits
50%chance to wound the drones (6.6)
33% chance to wound a suit (4.35)
At this point yes using saviour Protocol would kill 4 drones vs 3 but the crisis suits would take the hits on their 3+Sv and leave 1.4 wounds through.
Whereas targeting the drones directly they will suffer 3.3 wounds.
With a chance to kill if 16.5% per bolter round in just 37 shots you will kill all 6 drones leaving the crisis suits vulnerable to your high Str high Ap weapons.
The most important thing to remember is, there shouldn't be big squads of Tactical Marines near your XV8s. You just dropped down from Manta Strike with XV8s, Gun Drones, and probably Fusion Commanders, maybe there are Stealtsuits nearby too. Those Tacticals should be dead already, or at least seriously diminished.
Nymphomanius wrote:I disagree I'd rather take the 3+ saves on my suits than lose 4-5 drones off the bat if he gets 6 through on your suits are you telling me you'd kill off all the drones and leave the suits vulnerable to Lascannon fire? A quad Las predator will kill 3 crisis fairly easily without any drones
Nymphomanius wrote:I think we may have to agree to disagree here I'd rather definitely kill all the drones than potentially damage the suits, then use heavy weapons to kill the suits, AM for example if it was me I'd be using heavy bolters to pick the drones off and a lemun Russ to kill the suits
I'm losing the train of thought here. Are we shooting at drones, or having our drones be shot at? At any rate, as the defending player, there are two scenarios. Either (a) the opponent elects to shoot the suits, or (b) they elect to shoot the drones. We can't control this obviously. Anyway, always assume your opponent is making what they think to be the right choice; if your opponent shoots the drones or the suits either way they're revealing a bit about what they're thinking.
You need to bring your battlefield awareness to this question. Let's look at a few questions:
1. How much disposable firepower does your opponent have? Is this early in the shooting phase, or have most of their other units already shot?
2. How many heavy weapons like Lascannons and Missile Launchers are nearby? How many weapons are there that could threaten your XV8s?
3. Are there assault units in position to threaten your XV8s? Do you need your drones for protection?
Once these questions have been considered, we can easily analyze a few scenarios.Scenario 1:
It's early in the shooting phase and your opponent has quickly moved some Chaos Space Marines near your XV8s. They are all armed with bolters, but there are also some Lascannon teams nearby. Your opponent targets the Gun Drones with the Bolters.
There's not much to do here. It's clear your opponent is trying to kill the Drones to make the XV8s vulnerable to Lascannon fire; you can't pass wounds from drones to XV8s to just whether the fire and hope the drones hold.Scenario 2:
It's early in the shooting phase and your opponent has quickly moved some Imperial Guardsmen near your XV8s. They have access to several Heavy Weapons Teams within range. Your opponent targets the XV8s with the Lasguns.
Your opponent is trying to take advantage of the Savior Protocols rule and get free wounds on the Gun Drones, as they wound both targets on 5+. Like the last situation, be aware that if you lose the Gun Drones your XV8s will likely be severely damaged by the Heavy Weapons Teams. Be cautious and take saves on the XV8s- you can probably risk a couple of wounds and it's not worth exposing yourself to Lascannon fire.Scenario 3:
Your Eldar opponent doesn't have many anti-tank guns left and your XV8s are still at full strength. A group of Dire Avengers targets your XV8s.
If they have nothing to kill the XV8s with, then they're probably just going for lucky wounds. Be aware of the "rending" effect of shuriken weaponry and feel free to liberally kill drones to keep your XV8s alive. Don't let your opponent luck out and damage or kill an XV8 when there aren't heavy guns available. Next turn you can kill the Dire Avengers and the rest of the Eldar anti-tank guns, ending the threat for good.
Remember that the best way to solve this issue is never to be in this situation at all! Keep your XV8s safe by assaulting tanks, blindsiding your opponent with clever Manta Strikes, or (best yet) obliterating everything that could harm your XV8s in the first place!