Panzer wrote:I want it real bad...but I won't give FW money as long as they stick to Resin. Bummer.
Beerson wrote:no way I'm paying THAT money for resin fix-it-yourself
Arka0415 wrote:Beerson wrote:no way I'm paying THAT money for resin fix-it-yourself
This is the one thing keeping me too from getting FW stuff. Love the models, love resin (in general) but why can't they be more like Paulson and make flawless casts? So much repair work needed when it comes to FW models.
PeeJ wrote:I suspect it depends heavily on how early in the run your cast is. My AX-1-0 is practically flawless.
The customer service from ForgeWorld is also unreal, when you do have an issue, they send out replacement parts very quickly and generally do specific re-casts for you which come out with amazing quality (in my experience).
I understand people complaining about the price, but realistically, it's not just the cost of the resin you are paying for. It's the artists time, the development of the design, software costs, rent costs, tooling costs and a premium for the IP, on top of the material cost. That's without going into other costs like advertising, support staff, rules teams etc. It all needs to be paid for by what they sell, which is these models. Plus, it is a luxury/premium item, not as mass produced/widespread as the plastics.
Arka0415 wrote:The price really isn't too bad. It's not a whole lot more than GW's prices and you get better, cooler stuff. I've seen a lot of posts online about wacky, warped resin though and it's made me hesitant about the casts.
Panzer wrote:The problem is that the moulds for Resin get used by FW until they barely resemble the original anymore which of course increases the rate of failures the longer it gets used.
Panzer wrote: Also that it's expensive which can't get excused with the artists time etc. since that one is the same for plastics.
Panzer wrote: Also that it sucks to work with. Also that it's quite heavy.
Panzer wrote: Also that FW Resin moulds are way less detailed that GWs new plastic ranges.
Panzer wrote: The only advantage of Resin is for FW because they need to sell less models before starting to actually earn money for it and they can better produce on demand instead of having to store all the produced models somewhere constantly.
FW is simply still stuck in the "we only produce few special models for people who really want it instead of whole ranges" mentality of their past instead of producing properly in bigger capacities like GW. People would for sure buy a lot more FW stuff if it were similar to GWs new plastic in price and quality.
Panzer wrote: So I decided to speak with my wallet and simply refuse to buy FW Resin except for specialist games like BB or Necromunda if I have to and especially not big models from them. Period.
PeeJ wrote:I'll say that is debatable at best, and I'm being generous there. FW models just are of a different standard still and it's easy to see when they are side by side with GW models. The details are much much finer.
PeeJ wrote:That is absolutely fine, if you don't want to buy FW stuff then I have no issues with that. But people trying to explain away getting knock-offs from China are just lying to themselves. If the model is good enough that you want it, pay the money to the company that put in the R&D/support costs to produce it. Not some guy in China selling knockoff re-casts that has absolutely not production costs and likely is taking a much bigger profit that FW because of it.
PeeJ wrote:No, this is not just them being stubborn, it is their business model, and one that is clearly succesful for them.
PeeJ wrote:Panzer wrote: So I decided to speak with my wallet and simply refuse to buy FW Resin except for specialist games like BB or Necromunda if I have to and especially not big models from them. Period.
That is absolutely fine, if you don't want to buy FW stuff then I have no issues with that. But people trying to explain away getting knock-offs from China are just lying to themselves. If the model is good enough that you want it, pay the money to the company that put in the R&D/support costs to produce it. Not some guy in China selling knockoff re-casts that has absolutely no production costs and likely is taking a much bigger profit than FW because of it.
Kakapo42 wrote:For what it's worth, I've always had great experience with Forgeworld models. I've made more than a few purchases with them in recent history but have only ever encountered one or two serious mould defects (and even then they were either virtually unnoticeable to the untrained eye or fairly simple to repair). Their customer service is also top-notch.
However, I must warn against further such talk, as it is starting to get somewhat off-topic. Let's stick to discussing this new Forgeworld release for the Tau range rather than the perceived merits of Forgeworld's MO.
nic wrote:For what its worth the new data sheet just gives the ability to swap out the burst cannons for CIB. Not much change but then I don't think it needed much - this was one of the FW data sheets that they got more or less right.
My only problem is how much I want one and how much it is irrational to spend that much money on a model I barely have room for.
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