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Kael'yn
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Re: 3D print extra parts: Stormsurge, Riptide, Piranha, ...

Post#71 » Aug 09 2016 12:23

Thanks.

I made a big order today to test the prototypes. I expect them to come by the last week of August, and I will show pics of the new parts on my Stormsurge model.

Here a preview of all the parts for the Stormsurge I have, shown at the same scale (I will clean the OP soon)
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EDIT:
Sneak peek of what's next (one set will be given as ATT contest prize)
Custom Tau Sept Symbols of any size and shapes (Fire, Air, Earth, ...)
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(WIP 3D models)

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Post#72 » Aug 12 2016 10:12

Received a printed prototype for the cockpit cover (printed on a Form1+ printer, not Shapeways).
Good news: the shapes and overall dimensions are good: the cockpit curves fit nicely, the hatches blend well with the frame, ...
Bad new: I made a big mistake on one dimension: 1mm longer than needed !! So even if the shapes are good, the cockpit don't fit ! :(
It is not a big issue for those who ordered them, because 1mm is easy to sand or cut, either on plastic or printed part.
But I want to minimize the afterwork and the volume will be smaller like the price.

See pics:
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(2nd image on right is me pushing the frame to see that the two circular items are well spaced, the distorted frame is normal as I pushed it closer to the plastic)

I made a new prototype to be printed soon (with missile supports). I hope everything will be fine with it at last.

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Post#73 » Aug 16 2016 05:37

what quality plastic did you get. I am looking to get the shoulder mounts as White Strong & Flexible Polished. I am worried the quality and look wont match the stormsurge (cant afford the more expensive ones)

I am definitly doing the covers at the highest quality.

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Post#74 » Aug 17 2016 02:48

I hoped to be clear here and on Shapeways about materials and models in prototype stage:

WSF polished is more "smooth" than WSF (smooth as a 400 sanding paper is) but not as smooth as plastic (only very high quality prints like those used to create casting masters can achieve that and price is prohibitive).
To have a smooth feel in WSF polished, you need to coat the model with resin (or a thick paint or varnish layer, maybe multiple layers if needed to fill the irregularities) then sand it. Liquid GS or Vallejo liquid mastic may works too but I didn't test them (I will post a tutorial if I have time for it).
FUD and FXD are the closest way to achieve the smooth feel (even if they are not totally smooth), but the price is higher (at the moment). Once the shapes will fit the cockpit at 100% (latest prototype is inbound), I will release the weakened but hollowed model (which will be around $9 in FUD, cheaper if taken bundled).



For the prototype, I used a nearby printing services via 3DHubs in a Form1+ SLA grey resin printer in 0.025 mm / 25 µm (some services propose cheaper prices than Shapeways, other not and quality/service may vary). You need the STL file to upload there (PM me to have access to my latest prototype so far). Details are good and surface quality is equivalent or better than FUD (not totally plastic-smooth but looking quite fine). The service I used have reasonable prices but is located in France....

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Post#75 » Aug 18 2016 12:46

Does Form1 resin cut or sand like regular cast resin, or else similarly? My biggest issue with FUD/FXD is that it is incredibly hard and brittle, which makes cutting and sanding it more difficult than WSF.

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Post#76 » Aug 18 2016 04:51

Form 1 resin (grey hard version) could be worked like any hard cast resin and is a little more forgiving that FXD, but not as much as Forgeworld resin for example (which is a little more elastic).
I had no difficulties to cut and file the Form prototypes to see the shape matching (but some parts breaks eventually due to parts thinness).

I had not the same parts in FUD/FXD thinkness to compare but looking roughly at material datasheets (Form, Frosted, WSF) and my experiences they behave almost similarly (Form is a little harder but allow a little more stress without breaking).

WSF is for me harder so sand it properly because of the "aggregated" structure which made it hard to smooth enough without fixing the Nylon sintered powder with varnish/resin/paint.

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I would say: give Form a try. It have its advantages over FXD on surface aspect and resilience, but have problems when it come to small and thin parts (Frosted allow 0.3mm thick walls and 0.1 mm details that Form had difficulties to achieve). For large flat parts that bear weight, I would say Form is better, but for very small parts, Frosted is better.

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Post#77 » Aug 19 2016 10:53

The other day, I ordered a set of the Missile Pod fitting arms and two sets of the cockpit over (my mate wanted one too) whilst Shapeways have their free global shipping deal on.

Already been posted out after just 3 days!!!

Cannot wait to get them as I have a brand new Stormsurge sat in box waiting - these parts are the only reason I bought a SS as I can't stand the way it looks as stock.

I just need to figure out where I will be mounting the twin-linked weapon mount and Seeker Missiles as I will be removing them from the "missile mittens" as I have dubbed them.

Should have photos mid Sept as the parts are going to take a week or 2 to get to Ol' Blightly... An agonizing wait it will be...

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Post#78 » Aug 19 2016 12:44

Thanks for your order and faith in prototypes (cockpit cover). SW is slower for me usually (at least two weeks often: I ordered some FUD yesterday and delivery is due to Sept. 5th ...)

You can maybe use the left shoulder missile supports for the seekers: use the missile half ball joint from the "mitten", glue it under the seeker assembled to have a 2x2 seeker array and put them on the left missile shoulder support (the right is obvioulsy not used to made way to the main gun).
look at this quick assembly if you don't know what I mean:
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(if you want only the left shoulder missile support, ask me and I will put it on Shapeways or send the STL for you to print yourself, price will be around $10 in FUD probably for this only part.)

For the turret, I plan myself to fit each weapon of the twin turret under each missile array. But the upper side of the twin seeker array can be used too.

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Post#79 » Aug 19 2016 02:03

As much I've become used to and even fond of the current stormsurge model, I really dig this and I can't way to see a full model.

And I will be getting some cockpit covers soon. Those seem pretty cool. (And an excuse to paint less things!)

Cheers!

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Post#80 » Aug 23 2016 05:08

Kael'yn wrote:You can maybe use the left shoulder missile supports for the seekers: use the missile half ball joint from the "mitten", glue it under the seeker assembled to have a 2x2 seeker array and put them on the left missile shoulder support (the right is obvioulsy not used to made way to the main gun).
look at this quick assembly if you don't know what I mean:
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(if you want only the left shoulder missile support, ask me and I will put it on Shapeways or send the STL for you to print yourself, price will be around $10 in FUD probably for this only part.)


That's a genius idea, and would love to do that but I am all outta funds right now.

But I would very much like to order one next month once payday has rolled around if you can make just the left shoulder mount available on your Shapeways as I'd rather support you in your endeavours than try and bodge something up.

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