Bloodknife92 wrote:Enemies never get a cover save when shooting through their own units. A cover save implies that the shot has a chance to hit the cover instead of your model. If you pass the save, the shot hit the cover and not the target. When shooting through one's own units, it is assumed that those units move out of the way or the firing model is precise enough not to hit allies.
Bloodknife92 wrote:Enemies never get a cover save when shooting through their own units.
Basic Rulebook wrote:Intervening Models
If a target is partially obscured from the firer by models from a third unit (models not from the firer's unit, or from the target's unit), it receives a 5+ cover save in the same way as it was behind terrain.
Bloodknife92 wrote:When shooting through one's own units, it is assumed that those units move out of the way or the firing model is precise enough not to hit allies.
Basic Rulebook wrote:[...] the firer would be afraid of hitting his comrades, while in the case of intervening enemies, the firer is distracted by the more immediate threat.
shasocrastis wrote:My reasoning is that shooting out of an arrow slit doesn't grant the target cover, but that enemy firing back certainly has a harder time. [...] It's not merely that you are firing through a unit. You must ask the more direct question, 'is the target obscured'. In either case, I'd say no, so no cover saves for the tactical squad or the XV88.
Basic Rulebook wrote:Similarly, if a model fires through the gaps between models in an intervening unit, the target is in cover, even if it is completely visible to the firer.
Ricordis wrote:No one knows how to handle these situations?
Ricordis wrote:#5 Is not fully answered.
Ok, I handle intervening models like terrain: If it obscures my model by at least 25% I get my cover save.
But the BRB says that strange thing with the gaps which puts my model in cover even if completely visible.
No 25% needed. Why am I then in need of it if there is phisically an interfering model?
=> No 25% needed in any case => Riptide behind Firewarriors get a Cover Save
But this simply seems dumb to me.
Way to "fix" this would be to imagine a model from the interfering unit standing in the gap. This sounds logically to me as the narrative would tell us the soldiers are in movement yadda yadda...
But I don't know how to convince my opponent if he doesn't share my opinion.
What rule or wording can i quote/show him?
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