Photon Grenades -- What's the Point?

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Maxwell
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Re: Photon Grenades -- What's the Point?

Post#19 » Sep 02 2017 07:06

1ofmany wrote:Oke Panzer, so if I get lucky one unit D6 grenade. roll a 6...... 6 dice rol and then 2X a 6 so opponent unit -2 to hit ore 1 unit can only generat only -1 to hit modifier ever with grenade .

Just for the clarification:)

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From the rules:
“...INFANTRY units that have suffered any hits from photon grenades until the end of the turn.”

It def does not stack at all. As evidenced by “suffered ANY hits”.

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Panzer
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Re: Photon Grenades -- What's the Point?

Post#20 » Sep 02 2017 07:31

Maxwell wrote:
1ofmany wrote:Oke Panzer, so if I get lucky one unit D6 grenade. roll a 6...... 6 dice rol and then 2X a 6 so opponent unit -2 to hit ore 1 unit can only generat only -1 to hit modifier ever with grenade .

Just for the clarification:)

Thanks


From the rules:
“...INFANTRY units that have suffered any hits from photon grenades until the end of the turn.”

It def does not stack at all. As evidenced by “suffered ANY hits”.


What Maxwell said. I knew I forgot something. Overwatching with multiple grenades simply increases the chance to get a hit with it.
Sorry, my bad. ^^

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Re: Photon Grenades -- What's the Point?

Post#21 » Sep 02 2017 08:59

@ Panzer,

Sorry, my bad
no problem as long the rule is used correctly and in the end the rules ar clear :)

Thanks

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Gragagrogog
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Re: Photon Grenades -- What's the Point?

Post#22 » Sep 02 2017 10:29

1ofmany wrote:Oke Panzer, so if I get lucky one unit D6 grenade. roll a 6...... 6 dice rol and then 2X a 6 so opponent unit -2 to hit ore 1 unit can only generat only -1 to hit modifier ever with grenade .

Just for the clarification:)

Thanks


The chances of getting a successful D6 grenade hit in overwatch is 44.5%, so it isn't that lucky to score it...

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Maxwell
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Re: Photon Grenades -- What's the Point?

Post#23 » Sep 02 2017 05:20

I once rolled 27 dice on a stormsurge overwatch and got one six. That has no relation to this thread but....I’m still mad.

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Re: Photon Grenades -- What's the Point?

Post#24 » Sep 02 2017 05:56

Maxwell wrote:I once rolled 27 dice on a stormsurge overwatch and got one six. That has no relation to this thread but....I’m still mad.


That wouldn't be such a rare event... (1/6)*((5/6)^26)*27 ... 3.9% chance.

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Re: Photon Grenades -- What's the Point?

Post#25 » Jan 08 2018 11:14

Sorry to bring up an older thread, but i am a little confused on why Photon Grenades are a D6? If the effects don't stack then why would throwing up to six grenades at a unit be of any use? Unless do they use the BS of the model throwing it?

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Re: Photon Grenades -- What's the Point?

Post#26 » Jan 08 2018 11:19

Obsen wrote:Sorry to bring up an older thread, but i am a little confused on why Photon Grenades are a D6? If the effects don't stack then why would throwing up to six grenades at a unit be of any use? Unless do they use the BS of the model throwing it?

They're not auto-hit, so the D6 makes them much more reliable, especially during overwatch. With the average 3.5 shots you stand a very good chance of hitting during the shooting phase (though you'll never really use them there) and I think a 50%+ chance of hitting during overwatch!

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Re: Photon Grenades -- What's the Point?

Post#27 » Jan 08 2018 11:28

Oh perfect! Okay so they a purely for defensive (unless you charge in with hounds or something). You could then use this with For The Greater Good ability correct? In case you really need a -1 to hit on a target

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Post#28 » Jan 08 2018 11:56

Obsen wrote:Oh perfect! Okay so they a purely for defensive (unless you charge in with hounds or something). You could then use this with For The Greater Good ability correct? In case you really need a -1 to hit on a target

Yeah, that would be possible! Remember that the Photon Grenade's range isn't too long though, so the squads would need to be decently close together.

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Shas'O Ora
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Re: Photon Grenades -- What's the Point?

Post#29 » Jan 09 2018 01:57

A unit can only throw one grenade, but it should be stackable from multiple different units.


Are we sure about the one grenade per unit? I can´t find anything about it in Index and why does it then say: "Every Fire Warrior and Fire Warrior Shas'ui is equipped with a Pulse Rifle and Photon Grenades"?

Shouldn´t it then be mentioned like the Homing Beacon for Stealth Suits?
"The unit is able to carry Photon Grenades"?

The "quotations" were translated by me, sorry if something has gone wrong there.

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Re: Photon Grenades -- What's the Point?

Post#30 » Jan 09 2018 02:04

Shas'O Ora wrote:
A unit can only throw one grenade, but it should be stackable from multiple different units.


Are we sure about the one grenade per unit? I can´t find anything about it in Index and why does it then say: "Every Fire Warrior and Fire Warrior Shas'ui is equipped with a Pulse Rifle and Photon Grenades"?

Shouldn´t it then be mentioned like the Homing Beacon for Stealth Suits?
"The unit is able to carry Photon Grenades"?

The "quotations" were translated by me, sorry if something has gone wrong there.

Only one model per unit can use a grenade-type weapon. However, since all models in the unit have grenades, there is no one grenade-carrying model to kill.

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Shas'O Ora
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Re: Photon Grenades -- What's the Point?

Post#31 » Jan 09 2018 02:19

I understand, thank you. :fear:

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Re: Photon Grenades -- What's the Point?

Post#32 » Jan 09 2018 10:47

Shas'O Ora wrote:
A unit can only throw one grenade, but it should be stackable from multiple different units.


Are we sure about the one grenade per unit? I can´t find anything about it in Index and why does it then say: "Every Fire Warrior and Fire Warrior Shas'ui is equipped with a Pulse Rifle and Photon Grenades"?

Shouldn´t it then be mentioned like the Homing Beacon for Stealth Suits?
"The unit is able to carry Photon Grenades"?

The "quotations" were translated by me, sorry if something has gone wrong there.


I think it's in the basic rules somewhere in one of the side boxes


Limitations? You mean you don't want Fido the kroot hound as a character?

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Re: Photon Grenades -- What's the Point?

Post#33 » Jan 09 2018 12:32

I have started to use photon grenades lately and they have actually made a significant difference in charges from non-dedicated melee units.
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