[Wolfs16's Tau Log] The ARC-16's (COMPLETE)

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Re: [Wolfs16's Tau Log] The ARC-16's (Updated 7-26-10)

Post#571 » Jul 28 2010 10:51

Thanks Phoatu! I'm glad you are liking the direction it is taking. On that note...

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So here is some painting progress on the Hammerhead. Highlighting is still needed, so don't judge it too harshly. There is a lot of red on this tank and I want that represent the fluff behind the crew. These guys are veterans and have survived things that should have killed them several times. They have earned their marks and are proud of them. What do you guys think of this initial placement? If I'm gonna change anything, now's the time!

Oh and just because, here is a current army shot:

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Re: [Wolfs16's Tau Log] The ARC-16's (Updated 7-28-10)

Post#572 » Jul 29 2010 01:11

Hey Wolfs16

It's looking pretty good! I like the red :crafty: .

Now; the SMS .... I'm not sure. They look as if they are just tacked on there. I know you said you liked them but it's the one part of the model I'm not sold on ......

Also, were you planing on greenstuffing the panels above the sealed hatch?
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Re: [Wolfs16's Tau Log] The ARC-16's (Updated 7-28-10)

Post#573 » Jul 29 2010 09:25

Okay, well what do you guys think would be a better way to mount it? I attached them there because I will later be using the large Burst Cannons and I wanted a clear place to mount them.

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Re: [Wolfs16's Tau Log] The ARC-16's (Updated 7-28-10)

Post#574 » Jul 29 2010 09:51

Hey Wolfs16

Now that I look at it more, maybe it doesn't have to move. If you were to paint some parts of it red, it might kinda' blend a bit better (?).

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Re: [Wolfs16's Tau Log] The ARC-16's (Updated 7-28-10)

Post#575 » Jul 29 2010 09:38

Just an idea:

Why I think the SMS looks kind of "off:" You basically have 7 different "parts" sticking out of the main hull - four thrusters, the turret, and two SMS. The transition between the thrusters and the hull is seamless, but you can still see it because the thrusters are much more square than the hull and because they are at such a sharp angle..
That is too much for Tau Tanks! They are meant to be smoother than that.

So, I think the best way to make the SMS look "on" is too integrate it with the hull. The best way (IMHO) would be to either make a row of missiles on the hull somehow, maybe even curving from top to side in the same spot it is currently, or better yer, put it on the turret somehow.

Neither of these options would work well with burst cannons. :? But I'm sure you, of all people, would be able to come up with a suitable X-Weapon.

BUT! If YOU like it the way it is, KEEP it that way! It's you're army; you don't need to listen to us.
What is it that you like and dislike about the current setup?
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Re: [Wolfs16's Tau Log] The ARC-16's (Updated 7-28-10)

Post#576 » Jul 29 2010 09:56

Null:
I honestly think that after the paint is all on and the Tua markings are made things will look a lot better. But that's a good idea about adding red. As for the panels: no, I am going to leave them as is; although a may smooth out the edges a bit. I plan on adding some cool things to the sides that will act as kill markers. But I have to experiment a bit first.

Militant.Jester:
Good call on the SMS. I see your point now about the break up in the hulls flow. What if a angled them to match the back engines? That would be keeping with the flow, wouldn't it? Something like this maybe:

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It would require I do more cutting and add a few other things, but it could work...

As for what I like about the setup is that it keeps the SMS in a good, high firing position without interfering with the Railgun. Also, having it on the sides reminds me of the XV81 with the side mounted SMS launchers. I agree that maybe attaching them closer to the hull might be better, but I honestly don't want to do the work! :D But when the tank is fully kitted out, I really like how it looks! It is supposed to be a heavy beast and it reflects the grizzled vets inside. These are the guys who would go into combat with 20 guns strapped to their bodies and I wanted the tank to reflect that.

To put it simply, my background stories really effect the way the model will be made.

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Re: [Wolfs16's Tau Log] The ARC-16's (Updated 7-28-10)

Post#577 » Jul 29 2010 10:01

Ooh, like your thinking Wolf. That does look good.

Also, I like that you are thinking about kill counters. What do you have in mind for the actual design?
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Re: [Wolfs16's Tau Log] The ARC-16's (Updated 7-28-10)

Post#578 » Jul 29 2010 10:11

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Militant.Jester wrote:BUT! If YOU like it the way it is, KEEP it that way! It's you're army; you don't need to listen to us.
TOTALLY AGREE!! Its your call Wolfs16.

Yet again I find myself agreeing with Militant.Jester :P. I can't wait to see the Kill markers, it's a sweet idea.

Your angled SMS looks better IMO. Can we get some shots of her (the tank) on an angle?

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Re: [Wolfs16's Tau Log] The ARC-16's (Updated 7-28-10)

Post#579 » Jul 29 2010 10:18

No idea how to do the kill markers! I want it to represent big game kills though. I'm talking Bio-titans. The crew of the "Assassin" (that's the code name for it) doesn't play around. They have been responsible for the deaths of several big beasties and they want to show it. So I ask the question to my faithful readers:

What kills markers do you think you'd see on a tank crewed by grizzled veterans?

Remember that the ARC-16's are unconventional, so I'm not opposed to anything.

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Here is my first idea for repositioning it.

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Thoughts? I think that I need to file down the mounts that are connected to the sides a bit.

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Re: [Wolfs16's Tau Log] The ARC-16's (Updated 7-28-10)

Post#580 » Jul 29 2010 10:44

Hey

IMO Silhouettes would be sweet. Silhouettes of kills, much easier now that you are only marking larger kills (I'd hate for you to have to paint all the silhouettes of genestealers and rippers this thing has run over :P )

Or a single colored stripe for each slain foe .......

Image of a Railgun Slug for each slain foe ....... kinda like this
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And if your beginning to dread the detail painting this is going to take, look at this guy's deal..... You don't realize the full scope of this 'till you see his fingers in comparison.

EDIT: Would you mount them here:
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Re: [Wolfs16's Tau Log] The ARC-16's (Updated 7-28-10)

Post#581 » Jul 29 2010 10:50

The infamous Koto bits again? :P

Anyways, looks pretty good I think.
Are you going to "gem-ify" the purple bits on the tank?
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Re: [Wolfs16's Tau Log] The ARC-16's (Updated 7-28-10)

Post#582 » Jul 29 2010 11:11

Actually what I used is chopped up Ion Cannon. Like a hunter I use every last part of model I cut up. :D

I will put the kill markings on the panels you mentioned Null. I was thinking of using this tutorial from Sholto with some Tyranid silhouettes. Maybe that is way to much work though....

Oh and the purple parts will absolutely get gem and lens effects. Just laying down a basecoat!

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Post#583 » Jul 29 2010 11:19

Oh come on man, considering how much you've put into your army I would not call anything too much work!
*Looks at tutorial*
Oh.. that tutorial... :eek:
Wait, did he and PidGinRat do the same thing?
I think that would look great on your models. Do it for the fans! :P

Oh and the purple parts will absolutely get gem and lens effects. Just laying down a basecoat!

Good to hear. ;)
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Re: [Wolfs16's Tau Log] The ARC-16's (Updated 7-28-10)

Post#584 » Jul 30 2010 04:13

Hey Wolfy, just wanted to drop a line and comment how awesome the Hammerhead is turning out. The increased footprint of the chassis has really helped even things up with the larger railgun! The engine layout you've ended up with looks great.

Are you using a brighter grey to highlight the grey armour panels these days? I feel that it is a little too bright, looking less like a highlight and more like a deliberate separate colour. If you want an extreme highlight you really need to do it in a couple of stages so it's a bit more gradual.

Keep up the great work mate!

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Re: [Wolfs16's Tau Log] The ARC-16's (Updated 7-28-10)

Post#585 » Jul 30 2010 05:07

I think the latest picture is a step in the right direction. IMO, what you should do is remove the top two vents on the side of the back engines, then move the engines back just a bit so that the space where the vents used to be lines up with those bits you have holding the SMS on. Then add a similar bit between the engines and the hull, so they aren't just glued directly onto it. With that giving you a bracket thingy holding it all together, you can then mount the SMS on top of the whole thing like you have it now.

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Re: [Wolfs16's Tau Log] The ARC-16's (Updated 7-28-10)

Post#586 » Jul 30 2010 09:00

The hammerhead is looking very nice by now!! Excellent job... can't imaging the amount of time you spend on it so far. :eek: It is looking like a real fireplatform. GW's hammerhead look like a fish... with a big gun. Yours look like a skimmer tank, armed and ready to destroy!

I'll have to agree with Mango about the painting though. Especially now that you have put this much will and work into converting the model.
Are you trying to make it apear as if theres an additional recess in the plating? If not, I wouldnt use black wash to make it appear darker (You might not be, but it looks like it). Use a darker grey instead (Not as dark as the one you have used, if that's what you have done). Also, do not apply highlights over it. I think the highlights make it appear as if theres a gab in the plating (which I know there isn't), even more than the dark shading. Just thinking it looks a little off.

The above is just what I would do, if you wont... then don't!! I have no doubt this will look very good once finished.

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Re: [Wolfs16's Tau Log] The ARC-16's (Updated 7-28-10)

Post#587 » Jul 30 2010 11:23

Peregrine:
Your idea for engine mounting is interesting, but a little hard to understand without visuals. I will have to play with it when I get home.

Mango & Don:
Thank you both for the compliment! I'm glad you guys are liking it.

Let me make one thing clear, I am using the exact same color to highlight as I've used on the whole army. I honestly think the picture is making it appear brighter than it is. Also, the highlighting I've done is not finished, so give it time.

As for the additional shading in the recesses, there are lines there that seperate parts of the hull. I am still in the process of painting, so give it time. If you look at my Devilfish you will see that I did not shade that second center panel, but on my Skyray I did. I think it looks better when it's shaded.

Again, remember that this is not a painting update and still has more work needed.

Thank you everyone for your ideas! I still have ways to go and I cannot wait to get this guy done!

Any other ideas on what I can do for kill markers on the vehicle?

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Re: [Wolfs16's Tau Log] The ARC-16's (Updated 7-28-10)

Post#588 » Jul 30 2010 11:38

Peregrine wrote:Something like this:

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Pretty much once you're done, the front part of the engine (where the vents are/were), the main hull, and the bracket holding them together should look like one continuous part. The front engines follow this idea really well, where the back ones look unfinished, the front set blend smoothly into the hull like they were part of the original design.

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