My first 8th edition list 1500 points

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Cain_Mark'o
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My first 8th edition list 1500 points

Post#1 » Jul 11 2017 01:05

This is my first time posting here but, I wanted to know what y'all think about my first 8th edition list. I started playing warhammer in 5th, probably, with Tau and love them.

Supreme command detachment

Commander 76 132
CIB x3 18 54
Multi-tracker 2

Commander 76 132
CIB x4 18 72

Commander 76 150
Missile pod x3 24 72
Multi-tracker 2

Cadre fireblade 39 42
Markerlight 3
Pulse rifle 0

Xv8 bodyguard 45 260 elite
+2 45 90
Flamer x8 9 72
Drone controller 5
Gun drone x6 8 48

Spearhead detachment

Long strike 137 199
Railgun 22
Smart missile system x2 20 40

Hammerhead 117 x2 179 358
Railgun x2 22
Smart missile system x2 20 40

Sniper drones 54 162
+6 18 108

Firesight marksman 21 x2 24 48
Markerlight 3
Pulse pistol 0

I played this list against dark eldar. Notable stuff he had was a couple of boat transports, a little floaty transport, a boat tank, bike squad, a jet, and some flying guys with (dark) lances. He went first.

The 4x CIB cmdr was amazing, it killed his jet on turn one. The flame squad killed his flying lancers. The hammerhead squad hung out together and took out his vehicles. Sniper drones stayed in a building in my deployment zone with a marksman. The fireblade and other marksman were each in a piece of inpassable terrain from deployment and never moved. The marker lights just gave everyone retold on 1s.

The game we played was annihilation. I board wiped him for the win on like turn 4. I had some casualties but, didn't really lose much. He admitted to making mistakes that really changed the game for him.

Well, I hope I gave enough info and look forward to your responses and critiques.

Yojimbob
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Re: My first 8th edition list 1500 points

Post#2 » Jul 11 2017 01:37

Hey there!

Firstly, just as an FYI for future lists, please refrain from putting individual point costs on units as it is against the ATT rules since they could have legal action brought on them by GW. Please just put the total cost of the unit. :D

As far as the list goes, it looks decent but you've got multitrackers places which reroll 1's if all guns from that guy target the same thing. BUT as you clearly state from a single markerlight you get to reroll 1's anyway. Redundant points wasted IMO. We generally would recommend ATS for those spots or an additional weapon.

Also, paying for bodyguards instead of regular crisis is generally not a great idea as you can get "SAVE MY COMMANDER FROM DYING" with gun drones and the like so bodyguards tend to be points wasted. Granted if it fits your playstyle keep them by all means otherwise save yourself 9 points.

Sniper drones are really meh. I think generally people feel that getting multiple markerlight hits from pathfinders over firesight marksmen is a better use of points as well. Yes, they hit easier with a 3+ but I'd rather get 3 shots on 4+.

With the hammerheads, taking one as Ion could be really helpful against those multiple wound tough units IE termies instead of the single shot rail or the submunition shot just not dropping their armor enough.

Not a lot that I would consider bad with this list and seems to be starting very much in the right direction. I would probably recommend some form of large numbers squad to grab objectives since it is purely based on model count now. I'd say 1 or 2 squads of FW or a kroot squad or 2 should do the trick. Good luck in the future! :D

Cain_Mark'o
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Re: My first 8th edition list 1500 points

Post#3 » Jul 11 2017 06:59

Oh! No problem, I just copied and pasted my list. Thanks for the response.

I put a multitracker on the one commander because he went off to the other side by himself. He didn't need back up to overcharge every turn. The 4x CIB and rocket cmdrs stayed near the marker lights. The one cmdr had 4x missile pods not 3x. I used the marker lights to assist with the hammerheads and cmdrs.

I specifically used bodyguards over rego crisis because they have 3 melee attacks a piece. The idea was to flamer then charge to prevent the charged squad from shooting the next turn. Unfortunately, all his units had flying. :sad:

Sniper drones were an experiment, I didnt know how the new snipers worked. Also, they got a boost from the firesight marksmen I was already using. I used the three single marker light units because I was really going to specifically reroll 1s. Basically, all my offense was hit on 2+ and reroll 1s.

I took the rail guns for their range and used them to tank hunt specifically, then use the submunitions to back up what was left. I thoughty other stuff would cover the rest but, I do like the ion cannon. It would be good for things coming specifically at the tanks.

I do love firewarriors a lot. I do not use anything but tau, no other aliens. :fear:

Thanks for the tips and any additional comments.

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Arka0415
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Re: My first 8th edition list 1500 points

Post#4 » Jul 11 2017 10:28

Looks like a solid start to a list! I agree with all of Yojimbo's ideas, there are a few units you can drop (Sniper Drones), some areas where you can shave points (Bodyguards), and some areas where you can improve units (MT on the Commander). Also we should switch a Commander to 4x Fusion Blaster since it's so effective! Let's take a look! Here's the current army, after a few modifications:

HQ - Commander w/ 4x Fusion Blaster (160)
HQ - Commander w/ 3x Cyclic Ion Blaster, ATS (138)
HQ - Commander w/ 3x Missile Pod, ATS (156)
HQ - Longstrike w/ Railgun, 2x SMS, 2x Seeker Missiles (225)
Elites - 3x XV8s w/ 8x Flamer, DC, 6x Gun Drones (251)
Heavy Support - Hammerhead w/ Railgun, SMS, 2x Seeker Missiles (205)

That's 1135 points total. You'll be able to hammer vehicles with two Railguns, four Fusion Blasters, and three Missile Pods. Meanwhile the CIBs can deal with medium-heavy infantry, and the Flamers can kill loads of weak or hard-to-hit units. However, we still have 365 points to spend on Markerlights and anti-infantry firepower. It looks like you're a fan of low-model-count armies, so let's keep it that way. Let's see what we can do:

Elites - 3x Stealthsuits w/ Burst Cannons, Velocity Tracker, Homing Beacon, 2x Gun Drones (128)
Fast Attack - Piranha w/ Burst Cannon, 2x Gun Drones (71)
Fast Attack - Piranha w/ Burst Cannon, 2x Gun Drones (71)
Fast Attack - 5x Pathfinders w/ 5x Markerlights (40)
Fast Attack - 5x Pathfinders w/ 2x Markerlights, 3x Ion Rifles (52)

The army still isn't rocking a ton of anti-infantry firepower, but that's okay. You should mainly use your mobility to evade and avoid infantry blobs while destroying high-value targets. Here's the full list:

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HQ - Commander w/ 4x Fusion Blaster (160)
HQ - Commander w/ 3x Cyclic Ion Blaster, ATS (138)
HQ - Commander w/ 3x Missile Pod, ATS (156)
HQ - Longstrike w/ Railgun, 2x SMS, 2x Seeker Missiles (225)
Elites - 3x XV8s w/ 8x Flamer, DC, 6x Gun Drones (251)
Elites - 3x Stealthsuits w/ Burst Cannons, Velocity Tracker, Homing Beacon, 2x Gun Drones (128)
Fast Attack - Piranha w/ Burst Cannon, 2x Gun Drones (71)
Fast Attack - Piranha w/ Burst Cannon, 2x Gun Drones (71)
Fast Attack - 5x Pathfinders w/ 5x Markerlights (40)
Fast Attack - 5x Pathfinders w/ 2x Markerlights, 3x Ion Rifles (52)
Heavy Support - Hammerhead w/ Railgun, SMS, 2x Seeker Missiles (205)

Total: 1497 - Command Points: 5 (1 Supreme Command and 1 Outrider Detachment)

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What do you think?

Cain_Mark'o
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Re: My first 8th edition list 1500 points

Post#5 » Jul 11 2017 10:36

So you don't think the extra melee attacks are worth it for the melee squad?

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Arka0415
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Re: My first 8th edition list 1500 points

Post#6 » Jul 11 2017 11:40

Cain_Mark'o wrote:So you don't think the extra melee attacks are worth it for the melee squad?


All of that and you focus on the bodyguards? :P

Anyway, the Bodyguards were never a 'melee' squad. A whole group of Bodyguards gets 9 attacks, they'll hit 3, and wound with two. That's one dead Necron, or maybe a dead Space Marine. Don't even bother with that melee attack.

Charging with XV8s is a good idea. However, that's not because they'll do damage, but because they'll stop a unit from shooting while you're still able to shoot.

It's the utility of melee, not the damage, so don't focus on extra attacks.

X-FuryEagle-X
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Re: My first 8th edition list 1500 points

Post#7 » Jul 12 2017 07:34

Hi Cain, welcome to the forum.

Your list is actually surprisingly close to mine and I've been playing for quite a while - so good job!

Cain_Mark'o wrote:So you don't think the extra melee attacks are worth it for the melee squad?


No definitely not. Preventing your enemy from firing is the only reason to charge and even then only if they don't have the fly keyword.

Also, I completely agree with Arka's re-shaped pointy end to your list with:

Arka0415 wrote:HQ - Commander w/ 4x Fusion Blaster (160)
HQ - Commander w/ 3x Cyclic Ion Blaster, ATS (138)
HQ - Commander w/ 3x Missile Pod, ATS (156)
HQ - Longstrike w/ Railgun, 2x SMS, 2x Seeker Missiles (225)
Elites - 3x XV8s w/ 8x Flamer, DC, 6x Gun Drones (251)
Heavy Support - Hammerhead w/ Railgun, SMS, 2x Seeker Missiles (205)


This is a great start. With the additional 365 points, here's some alternate suggestions you may like to try. I won't put in points costs, if you like the ideas you can points massage as required. Also, some of these suggestions aren't exactly low model count either, but worth a thought.

- If you take Piranhas, consider taking 2 or 3 in a unit and deploying them along with the lonely Commander. That will give you a unit of 4-6 gun drones who can escort your Commander and keep him alive, while your Piranhas harass your opponents back field.
- Gun drones are amazing this edition. I can't recommend them enough. I strongly suggest you get every gun drone model you own into your list. Then go buy some more drones. A couple of squads of 8 or 10 gun drones can really do some damage.
- If you own Vespid, don't be afraid to give them a shot. They can fill a hole where your plasma crisis would have once lived in previous editions and since you have your Crisis kitted out with flamers, Vespid could be a good counterpoint. They also move very fast.
- Stealth suits are very robust in this edition. I personally run a unit of 3 with a homing beacon, which gives me the option of bringing down my 4 x Fusion Blaster commander against a big nasty, or to bring down my unit of crisis suits with flamers and really make a mess. It works very well. I put my drone controller on the stealths as well.

So that's just some more ideas on how you could spend your 365 points. Each of these units would work very well with your core list, while also adding something slightly different. And as always, my usual advice, you have to choose units that match your play style that you know how to use.

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Re: My first 8th edition list 1500 points

Post#8 » Jul 24 2017 12:58

Thanks everyone!

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Sholto
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Re: My first 8th edition list 1500 points

Post#9 » Jul 31 2017 04:47

Thanks to everyone on this thread :biggrin: I played my first game of 8th edition with the following list, derived from the advice here, and it performed extremely well against Druchari:-

Total: 1499
Outrider and Vanguard Detachments: Command Points: 5

HQ - Commander w/ 3x Missile Pod, ATS (156)
HQ - Commander w/ 4x Fusion Blaster (160)
HQ - Commander w/ 3x Cyclic Ion Blaster, ATS (138)
HQ - Longstrike w/ Railgun, 2x SMS (215) (Warlord)
Troops – 5x Fire Warrior Strike Team w/ Pulse Rifles, Photon Grenades, Markerlight, DS8 Tactical Support Turret w/ Missile Pod (63)
Elites - 3x XV8s w/ 8x Flamer, Drone Controller, 6x Gun Drones (251)
Elites – Ghostkeel Battlesuit w/ Cyclic Ion Raker, 2x Burst Cannons, ATS, Target Lock and 2x MV5 Stealth Drones (181)
Elites – 3x Stealth Battlesuits w/ 3x Burst Cannons, Drone Controller, Velocity Tracker, Homing Beacon (117)
Fast Attack – 8x Gun Drones (64)
Fast Attack – 8x Gun Drones (64)
Fast Attack – 6x Vespids inc Vespid Strain Leader (90)

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Re: My first 8th edition list 1500 points

Post#10 » Jul 31 2017 04:54

Sholto wrote:Elites – 3x Stealth Battlesuits w/ 3x Burst Cannons, Drone Controller, Velocity Tracker, Homing Beacon (117)

Keep in mind that the Velocity Tracker got an Errata. It works only for the model equipped with it now.

Also Shield Drones are viable again and are imo a viable choice for Flamer Crisis so you aren't 'forced' into taking Gun Drones everywhere anymore. ;)

Anyway congrats to your first game and victory (I assume?)!

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Re: My first 8th edition list 1500 points

Post#11 » Jul 31 2017 06:29

Thanks, and batrep just posted here - viewtopic.php?f=43&t=26223 :)

I never used the Velocity Trackers, as it turned out, but I will remember that, ta

EDIT: I had a look at the FAQ, but don't see VT mentioned. Where is it?

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Re: My first 8th edition list 1500 points

Post#12 » Jul 31 2017 07:05

Sholto wrote:Thanks, and batrep just posted here - http://www.advancedtautactica.com/viewt ... 43&t=26223 :)

I never used the Velocity Trackers, as it turned out, but I will remember that, ta

EDIT: I had a look at the FAQ, but don't see VT mentioned. Where is it?


https://www.warhammer-community.com/201 ... ge-post-2/

Index Xenos 2

Page 137
– Support Systems
Change the Drone controller rule to read:
‘Friendly <Sept> Drone units within 6" of any models
equipped with a drone controller add one to any hit rolls.’

Change the Velocity tracker rule to read:
‘Add 1 to hit rolls for this model when it shoots at a unit
that can Fly.’

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Arka0415
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Re: My first 8th edition list 1500 points

Post#13 » Jul 31 2017 07:28

Arka0415 wrote:Elites - 3x Stealthsuits w/ Burst Cannons, Velocity Tracker, Homing Beacon, 2x Gun Drones (128)

This was a good trick back when it worked. Oh well. :neutral:

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Sholto
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Re: My first 8th edition list 1500 points

Post#14 » Aug 01 2017 05:06

StealthKnightSteg wrote:https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/23/updated-faqs-and-boots-on-the-groundgw-homepage-post-2/

Index Xenos 2

Page 137
– Support Systems
Change the Drone controller rule to read:
‘Friendly <Sept> Drone units within 6" of any models
equipped with a drone controller add one to any hit rolls.’

Change the Velocity tracker rule to read:
‘Add 1 to hit rolls for this model when it shoots at a unit
that can Fly.’


Thanks :)

GW's own website still only has the v1.0 FAQs on it! I was using them.

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Panzer
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Re: My first 8th edition list 1500 points

Post#15 » Aug 01 2017 05:47

Sholto wrote:
StealthKnightSteg wrote:https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/23/updated-faqs-and-boots-on-the-groundgw-homepage-post-2/

Index Xenos 2

Page 137
– Support Systems
Change the Drone controller rule to read:
‘Friendly <Sept> Drone units within 6" of any models
equipped with a drone controller add one to any hit rolls.’

Change the Velocity tracker rule to read:
‘Add 1 to hit rolls for this model when it shoots at a unit
that can Fly.’


Thanks :)

GW's own website still only has the v1.0 FAQs on it! I was using them.

They all are on warhammer-community. Just search for FAQ. ;)

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