2000 pts / 100 PL Balanced and no cheese

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Glarblar
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2000 pts / 100 PL Balanced and no cheese

Post#1 » Aug 29 2017 03:37

While I understand that points and such will change in the new codex, I wanted to get put together a list with a balance output assuming the style will do well once we get our codex:


===List=== 10 CP - 2000 Pts/103 PL
:::HQ:::
Commander 3xFB 1xMT, 2x MV4 Shield Drone
Commander 3xFB 1xMT, 2x MV4 Shield Drone
Commander 3xMP, ATS
Darkstrider
Cadre Fireblade

:::Troops:::
Breacher Team FWx10, ML
Strike Team FWx5, ML, Rifles
Strike Team FWx5, ML, Rifles
Strike Team FWx5, ML, Rifles
Strike Team FWx5, ML, Rifles (debating carbines)
Strike Team FWx5, ML, Rifles (debating carbines)

:::Elites:::
XV25 Stealth Homing beacon, DC, FB, Markerlight + Target Lock, 2x ML Drones
XV8 Crisis 8xCIB, DC, 5x MV1 Gun Drone, 1x ML Drone
XV8 Crisis 6xPR, 3xFlamer, 6x MV1 Gun Drone
XV95 Ghostkeel CIR, BC, TL, ATS

:::Fast Attack:::
Pathfinder Team FWx5, MLx5
Pathfinder Team FWx5, MLx5

:::Dedicated Transport:::
TY7 Devilfish 2x MV1 Gun Drone, Burst cannon, 2x Seeker missile



===Balance===
I tried for redundancy in dealing with 4 different types of units:
Infantry- FW, Gun drones, Crisis/Keel/Stealth hybrid
Elite Infantry- Crisis, FW, Keel hybrid
Light Vehicles- Crisis, MP Co, Keel Hybrid
Heavy Vehicles- FB Co, Stealth/Crisis/Keel hybrid
22ML Total


===Strategy===
My hope is to keep the Fusion Commanders and XV8 teams in orbit until alpha strike can come in, wasting the opponents big guns on smaller targets or the Ghostkeel
Darkstrider, fireblade, and breachers deploy in devilfish to reduce drops by 2. Then fireblade hops out.

Homing beacon is used either for the Commander or the Soulsaber XV8s.

Backfield: 3 FWs, Breachers, Pathfinders, MP Co
Midfield: Ghostkeel, CIB Crisis, PR Crisis, Stealth, 2 FWs
Forwards: FB Co


I'm also aiming this towards the codex where Battlesuits should get some more love, and we will have more things to spend CP on.

Comments, concerns, questions?
Last edited by Glarblar on Sep 22 2017 03:25, edited 2 times in total.

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Glarblar
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Re: 2000 pts / 100 PL Balanced and no cheese

Post#2 » Sep 22 2017 10:25

Updated list and format, should be easier to read

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Quorgyle
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Re: 2000 pts / 100 PL Balanced and no cheese

Post#3 » Sep 22 2017 10:51

Those Multitracker on the Fusion Commanders seems like a complete waste. Rather take another Fusion Blaster or if you want to stick with 3 weapons, take a shield generator instead.

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Glarblar
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Re: 2000 pts / 100 PL Balanced and no cheese

Post#4 » Sep 22 2017 11:04

3 FB + MT is more point efficient per hit surprisingly:

4 FB = 0.0397 hit/pt
3FB/MT = 0.0405 hit/pt

PL games you would definitely run the SG or 4 FB however

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Panzer
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Re: 2000 pts / 100 PL Balanced and no cheese

Post#5 » Sep 22 2017 12:54

That may be true, however you can easily get the re-roll 1s with a single markerlight and the multi-tracker forces you to focus all the Commanders shooting at a single target to have any effect.
Plus 4 Fusion Blaster have a higher damage potential. It's always better to nuke something important than only almost killing it just to know it was slightly more point efficient while in return the important target can still do stuff (hold objectives, shoot/charge something, etc.) :D

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Glarblar
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Re: 2000 pts / 100 PL Balanced and no cheese

Post#6 » Sep 22 2017 02:47

So if I replaced the MT with FB, thats 19x2 pts I need to make up. Where would be the best place to take them out?

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Panzer
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Re: 2000 pts / 100 PL Balanced and no cheese

Post#7 » Sep 22 2017 05:37

I think without changing yout list too much I'd simply remove the Seeker Missiles on the Devilfish and the single Marker Drone in the CIB Crisis unit.

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Arka0415
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Re: 2000 pts / 100 PL Balanced and no cheese

Post#8 » Sep 23 2017 01:37

I agree with Panzer's point- let's make those changes. Also, I think there's too much upgrades and wargear on those Stealthsuits. Let's relax the Stealthsuit wargear too, add some more Pathfinders, and I'd also go for a full-Flamer kit on those other XV8s. Here's how I'd imagine the list:

HQ - Commander w/ 4x Fusion Blasters; 2x Shield Drones (176)
HQ - Commander w/ 4x Fusion Blasters; 2x Shield Drones (176)
HQ - Commander w/ 3x Missile Pods, ATS (156)
HQ - Cadre Fireblade w/ Markerlight (42)
HQ - Darkstrider (45)
Troops - 10x Breachers (80)
Troops - 5x Fire Warriors (40)
Troops - 5x Fire Warriors (40)
Troops - 5x Fire Warriors (40)
Troops - 5x Fire Warriors (40)
Troops - 5x Fire Warriors (40)
Dedicated Transport - Devilfish w/ Burst Cannon; 2x Gun Drones (127)
Elites - 3x XV8s w/ 8x Cyclic Ion Blasters, 1x Drone Controller; 5x Gun Drones, 1x Marker Drone (325)
Elites - 3x XV8s w/ 8x Flamers, 1x Drone Controller; 5x Gun Drones, 1x Marker Drone (253)
Elites - 3x Stealthsuits w/ 3x Burst Cannons; Homing Beacon (110)
Elites - Ghostkeel w/ Cyclic Ion Raker, 2x Burst Cannons, Target Lock, ATS; 2x Stealth Drones (181)
Fast Attack - 8x Pathfinders w/ 8x Markerlights (64)
Fast Attack - 8x Pathfinders w/ 8x Markerlights (64)

Total: 1999 - Command Points: 10 (2 Battalion Detachments, 1 Vanguard Detachment)

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