2000 pts Balanced and no cheese

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Glarblar
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Re: 2000 pts Balanced and no cheese

Post#19 » Oct 03 2017 09:37

I'm taking a page out of the 'No Mercy' list and trying to better balance and define the Gunline and Advance guard.

The only real addition I've tried to make is some Railsides. QFBs are much more efficient but I think I may rather have just 1, which would then mean consolidating FW units and loosing out on the 2nd battalion.

Its a WIP, I'm starting with laying out the Advance guard at 40-50 PL (since my FLGS mostly uses that) and then tackling the gun line

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Re: 2000 pts Balanced and no cheese

Post#20 » Oct 03 2017 01:23

Seeing the 'No Mercy' list also kind of validated my approach to successful list building. Now I'm trying to get some long range firepower in w/out resorting to a Stormsurge (b/c I don't own one) and now locking myself into the T'au sept with Darkstrider or Longstrike

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Arka0415
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Re: 2000 pts Balanced and no cheese

Post#21 » Oct 03 2017 07:51

Glarblar wrote:Seeing the 'No Mercy' list also kind of validated my approach to successful list building. Now I'm trying to get some long range firepower in w/out resorting to a Stormsurge (b/c I don't own one) and now locking myself into the T'au sept with Darkstrider or Longstrike

What's the "No Mercy" list? Something I missed? Anyway, if you want to add some long-range firepower, consolidate the Fire Warriors, and lose Darkstrider, we can definitely do that. If you bring a Broadside, I think more Markerlights will also be important to support that. We can also split the Breachers into two squads of 6 to better use the space in the Devilfish. Here's a new list idea:

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HQ - Commander w/ 4x Fusion Blasters; 2x Shield Drones (176)
HQ - Commander w/ 3x Missile Pods, ATS (156)
HQ - Cadre Fireblade w/ Markerlight (42)
Troops - 6x Breachers (48)
Troops - 6x Breachers (48)
Troops - 8x Fire Warriors (64)
Troops - 8x Fire Warriors (64)
Troops - 8x Fire Warriors (64)
Dedicated Transport - Devilfish w/ Burst Cannon, 1x Seeker Missile; 2x Gun Drones (132)
Elites - 3x XV8s w/ 8x Cyclic Ion Blasters, 1x Drone Controller; 6x Gun Drones (323)
Elites - 3x Stealthsuits w/ 1x Fusion Blaster, 2x Burst Cannons; Homing Beacon (121)
Elites - Ghostkeel w/ Cyclic Ion Raker, 2x Burst Cannons, Target Lock, ATS; 2x Stealth Drones (181)
Fast Attack - 8x Pathfinders w/ 5x Markerlights, 3x Rail Rifles (121)
Fast Attack - 8x Pathfinders w/ 8x Markerlights (64)
Heavy Support - Broadside w/ Heavy Rail Rifle, 2x SMS, Velocity Tracker, 1x Seeker Missile; 2x Shield Drones (206)
Flyer - Sun Shark Bomber w/ Markerlight, 2x Missile Pods; 2x Interceptor Drones (191)

Total: 2001 - Command Points: 7 (1 Battalion Detachment, 1 Vanguard Detachment)

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I think, with this list, you have a really good chance to get five Markerlights on one target on turn one, then hit it with long-range firepower from your Heavy Rail Rifle, Missile Pods, Cyclic Ion Raker, Interceptor Drones, and Seeker Missiles. You can also use the Stealthsuit/Fusion Commander to hit another vehicle/monster target. What do you think?

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Glarblar
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Re: 2000 pts Balanced and no cheese

Post#22 » Oct 04 2017 08:45

http://www.tfgradio.com/tactics/tommys- ... pre-codex/

This talks about the 'No Mercy (tournament)' list. What I actually did was convert this to a 100 PL list since that is what my game group uses most of the time. To go even further off the rails I made it a Battalion Detachment.

At this point I'm debating between a HYMP-side and 4 CP, or a Bomber... but here is the Battalion List:

HQ - Commander w/ 4x Fusion Blasters; 2x ML Drones
HQ - Commander w/ 3x Missile Pods, ATS
HQ - Cadre Fireblade w/ Markerlight
Troops - 5x Breachers
Troops - 5x Breachers
Troops - 5x Fire Warriors
Troops - 5x Fire Warriors
Troops - 5x Fire Warriors
Troops - 5x Fire Warriors
Elites - 3x XV8s w/ 8x Cyclic Ion Blasters, 1x Drone Controller; 4x Gun Drones, 2x ML Drones
Elites - 3x Stealthsuits w/ 1x Fusion Blaster, 2x Burst Cannons; Homing Beacon, 2x ML Drones
Elites - Ghostkeel w/ Cyclic Ion Raker, 2x Burst Cannons, Target Lock, ATS; 2x Stealth Drones
Fast Attack - 5x Pathfinders w/ 5x Markerlights
Fast Attack - 5x Pathfinders w/ 5x Markerlights
Fast Attack - 4x Shield Drones
Heavy Support - Broadside w/ HYMP, 2x SMS, Velocity Tracker, 1x Seeker Missile; 2x Shield Drones
Heavy Support - Broadside w/ Heavy Rail Rifle, 2x SMS, Shield Generator, 1x Seeker Missile
Heavy Support - Broadside w/ Heavy Rail Rifle, 2x SMS, Shield Generator, 1x Seeker Missile

Total: 100 PL - Command Points: 12 (1 Brigade Detachment)


Here's what it actually looks like:
"Gunline"
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"Vanguard"
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Arka0415
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Re: 2000 pts Balanced and no cheese

Post#23 » Oct 04 2017 07:32

Glarblar wrote:To go even further off the rails I made it a Brigade Detachment.

At this point I'm debating between a HYMP-side and 4 CP, or a Bomber... but here is the Brigade List:

It's not actually a brigade though, since you only have two Fast Attack choices. I wouldn't bother trying to fit it all in. Drop the Breachers, drop the Ghostkeel, add a Bomber, and I'd also drop the rogue pairs of Marker Drones too, but that's just me.

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HQ - Commander w/ 4x Fusion Blasters; 2x Shield Drones (176)
HQ - Commander w/ 3x Missile Pods, ATS (156)
HQ - Cadre Fireblade w/ Markerlight (42)
HQ - Ethereal on Hover Drone w/ Honour Blade (50)
Troops - 5x Fire Warriors (40)
Troops - 5x Fire Warriors (40)
Troops - 5x Fire Warriors (40)
Troops - 5x Fire Warriors (40)
Elites - 3x XV8s w/ 8x Cyclic Ion Blasters, 1x Drone Controller; 4x Gun Drones, 2x Marker Drones (327)
Elites - 3x Stealthsuits w/ 1x Fusion Blaster, 2x Burst Cannons; Homing Beacon (121)
Fast Attack - 8x Pathfinders w/ 8x Markerlights (64)
Fast Attack - 8x Pathfinders w/ 5x Markerlights, 3x Ion Rifles (76)
Fast Attack - 6x Shield Drones (48)
Heavy Support - Broadside w/ HYMP, 2x SMS, Velocity Tracker, 1x Seeker Missile (209)
Heavy Support - Broadside w/ Heavy Rail Rifle, 2x SMS, Shield Generator, 1x Seeker Missile (190)
Heavy Support - Broadside w/ Heavy Rail Rifle, 2x SMS, Shield Generator, 1x Seeker Missile (190)
Flyer - Sun Shark Bomber w/ Markerlight, 2x Missile Pods; 2x Interceptor Drones w/ 4x Ion Rifles (191)

Total: 2000 (100PL) - Command Points: 8 (1 Battalion Detachment, 1 Outrider Detachment, 1 Spearhead Detachment)

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Shield Drones guard the Broadsides, Ethereal buffs the Broadsides with re-rolling ones or 6+++. If you play a PL game, bring Support Turrets with your Fire Warriors too and +2 Pathfinders per squad, since those are all free. What do you think?

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