750pt casual list

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Aspiring Commander
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750pt casual list

Post#1 » Oct 10 2017 07:30

Hey guys!

I've started assembling a force To use down at my local club, not quite sure of the meta just yet. From what I've seen, ther is around half space marines with a couple of CSM and orks.

Anyway, here goes:

Patrol detachment

HQ-
Cadre fireblade w/Markerlight, 2x gun drones

Troops-
10- man Strike team- 10x pulse rifles, 1 markerlight

Elites-
3-man XV8 squad- ATS, burst cannon, missile pod
ATS, burst cannon, plasma rifle
Flamer, fusion blaster, shield generator

Fast attack-
10 man pathfinder squad- 7 pulse carbine w/ markerlights, 3x rail rifles, recon drone, grab inhibitor drone, PAC drone, gun drone, shield drone


Heavy-
Railhead- SMS


Total= 752 points, 1CP



My general plan was to leave the strike team and path finders wrapped around my fireblade and PAC and stick them in cover near an objective. The pathfinders have so many drones just to boost the PAC survivability.

Once there, the rail rifles can focus on anti elite fire, and the 36' pulse rifles can start to pepper troops. Once a few enemies move into their 24' standard rifle range, the plan is to move the fire warriors with fireblade and PAC towards them into 18' range, and then volley fire them.


The hammerhead is there to pop tanks and transports, also to draw fire. Favoured the rail cannon for its potential anti troop use.


Crisis suits to deploy behind advancing enemies and hopefully eliminate characters or deep sitting squads (I'm aware that they aren't armed very well but I got glue happy and I'm currently looking up ways to safely remove the weapons without snapping arms)


Anywhere to tweak, other than specialising suits? Still fresh to 8th edition and Tau so all advice welcome!
'We act as one, and united we cannot fall'

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Arka0415
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Re: 750pt casual list

Post#2 » Oct 10 2017 08:29

Honestly, if this is a casual list, and you like playing it, that's all you need! However, if you want to tune the list up, then we can definitely do that too!


Aspiring Commander wrote:My general plan was to leave the strike team and path finders wrapped around my fireblade and PAC and stick them in cover near an objective. The pathfinders have so many drones just to boost the PAC survivability.

Once there, the rail rifles can focus on anti elite fire, and the 36' pulse rifles can start to pepper troops. Once a few enemies move into their 24' standard rifle range, the plan is to move the fire warriors with fireblade and PAC towards them into 18' range, and then volley fire them.!

You're buying all of those Drones just do give your PAC more survivabilty, but for the price of that mob of Drones, you could buy 6 more Fire Warriors, giving you 18 more shots at half range.


Aspiring Commander wrote:The hammerhead is there to pop tanks and transports, also to draw fire. Favoured the rail cannon for its potential anti troop use.

With so many Markerlights, you should definitely think about giving this tank a pair of Seeker Missiles. Hammerhead-mounted Seekers are our only good source of Mortal Wounds. Also, if you have the points to spare, pay the 20 points and upgrade your Hammerhead to Longstrike! +2 to hit, +1 to wound, what's not to like about that?


Aspiring Commander wrote:Crisis suits to deploy behind advancing enemies and hopefully eliminate characters or deep sitting squads (I'm aware that they aren't armed very well but I got glue happy and I'm currently looking up ways to safely remove the weapons without snapping arms)

You're correct here- the armament of those XV8s is going to be an issue. When you do change their loadouts, focus on weapons that operate in the same range band. Buying Missile Pods, then running in within Flamer range, wastes the significant range advantage of the Missile Pods and results in an inefficient build. XV8s are already points-inefficient, so improving the efficiency wherever we can will be important.

Anyway, your XV8s can still be improved, even with that non-ideal loadout. We can add Drones to the squad, which will improve its durability. Also, ATS is a system, so we can replace that with a gun, assuming you didn't "model" ATS somehow. Do the ATS suits just have two guns each?

Aspiring Commander wrote:Anywhere to tweak, other than specialising suits? Still fresh to 8th edition and Tau so all advice welcome!

There are two big areas to tweak: first is efficiency- at <1000-point games, every point counts, moreso than in large games. Your units really need to do as much as possible. Second, your list has no reliable source of anti-tank. The Hammerhead is capable of finishing off tanks, but it will take many, many turns for it to actually destroy a tank like a Predator. In fact, a Hammerhead can barely kill a Predator in a 7-turn game, let alone a 5-turn game. It hits 66% of the shots it takes, and wounds on 66% of those. The statistical damage for a wounding Hammerhead shot is 3.8 wounds, so simple "mathhammer" would call that 1.7 wounds per turn (as the Hammerhead has a 44% chance of hitting and wounding). So, if the Hammerhead shoots every turn, then it would take 6.4 turns for the Hammerhead to kill the Predator. This is very crude math, but you get the idea.

Anyway, for anti-tank, we have four good options:
- Commander w/ Fusion Blasters
- XV8s w/ Fusion Blasters
- Longstrike
- Stormsurge

I'll write two quick lists; one with your units as they are, one with an improved loadout, and one majorly-modified list to give you an idea as to what competetive Tau lists are starting to look like these days (or, at least, competitive Tau lists that have Fire Warriors in them). If you have any other units in your collection, if you could post what you have that would really help us out! Anyway, here goes:

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Unmodified Loadout List:

HQ - Cadre Fireblade w/ Markerlight (42)
HQ - Longstrike w/ Railgun, 2x SMS, 2x Seeker Missiles (225)
Troops - 10x Fire Warriors (80)
Elites - 3x XV8s w/ 2x BC, 2x ATS, 1x MP, 1x PR, 1x FB, 1x SG; 6x Gun Drones (274)
Fast Attack - 9x Pathfinders w/ 6x Markerlights, 3x Rail Rifles (129)

Total: 750 - Command Points: 3 (1 Patrol Detachment)

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Modified Loadout List:

HQ - Longstrike w/ Railgun, 2x SMS, 2x Seeker Missiles (225)
Troops - 10x Fire Warriors (80)
Elites - 3x XV8s w/ 6x Fusion Blasters, 3x Flamers; 6x Gun Drones (327)
Fast Attack - 9x Pathfinders w/ 6x Markerlights, 3x Rail Rifles (129)

Total: 751 - Command Points: 3 (1 Patrol Detachment)

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Example Heavily-Modified List:

HQ - Commander w/ 4x Fusion Blasters; 2x Shield Drones (176)
HQ - Cadre Fireblade w/ Markerlight (42)
Troops - 6x Fire Warriors w/ Markerlight (51)
Troops - 6x Fire Warriors (48)
Troops - 6x Fire Warriors (48)
Elites - 3x XV8s w/ 8x Cyclic Ion Blasters, 1x Drone Controller; 6x Gun Drones (323)
Fast Attack - 6x Pathfinders w/ 3x Markerlights, 3x Ion Rifles (60)

Total: 748 - Command Points: 6 (1 Battalion Detachment)

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Anyway, what do you think?

Aspiring Commander
Shas
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Re: 750pt casual list

Post#3 » Oct 10 2017 09:26

Anyway, your XV8s can still be improved, even with that non-ideal loadout. We can add Drones to the squad, which will improve its durability. Also, ATS is a system, so we can replace that with a gun, assuming you didn't "model" ATS somehow. Do the ATS suits just have two guns each



Yeah I haven't put anything on the models to represent the ATS, so it's not too mismodelled. Some of the mismatched weapons I'm going to try and pry off with a modelling knife, and invest in some magnets and a hand drill :)



If you have any other units in your collection, if you could post what you have that would really help us out!



I've got a start collecting box, and I've added the fireblade and the hammerhead- so I've got another six drones which are still customisable, and a hover ethereal. My next investments are going to be another start collecting box so I can bolster my fire warrior line, and get the extra sprues for crisis suits. (one who will proxy as my commander; that's the following purchase.)


Unmodified Loadout List:

HQ - Cadre Fireblade w/ Markerlight (42)
HQ - Longstrike w/ Railgun, 2x SMS, 2x Seeker Missiles (225)
Troops - 10x Fire Warriors (80)
Elites - 3x XV8s w/ 2x BC, 2x ATS, 1x MP, 1x PR, 1x FB, 1x SG; 6x Gun Drones (274)
Fast Attack - 9x Pathfinders w/ 6x Markerlights, 3x Rail Rifles (129)

Total: 750 - Command Points: 3 (1 Patrol Detachment)



I really like this list, and this is probably what I'm going to trial next. Maybe the PAC is something I'll try out in a higher point battle, where range will become more of a factor.

Once I've got the appropriate parts and magnets, I'll do something similar to your suit modified list- fusion blaster suits seem to be the rage for anti- tank in tau. That is, until i replace them with 4xFB commander :)
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Re: 750pt casual list

Post#4 » Oct 10 2017 07:32

Aspiring Commander wrote:Yeah I haven't put anything on the models to represent the ATS, so it's not too mismodelled. Some of the mismatched weapons I'm going to try and pry off with a modelling knife, and invest in some magnets and a hand drill :)

I've never done this myself, but I've heard that freezing a model (i.e. literally putting it in your freezer overnight) can help make old glue more brittle and easier to remove.


Aspiring Commander wrote:
If you have any other units in your collection, if you could post what you have that would really help us out!

I've got a start collecting box, and I've added the fireblade and the hammerhead- so I've got another six drones which are still customisable, and a hover ethereal. My next investments are going to be another start collecting box so I can bolster my fire warrior line, and get the extra sprues for crisis suits. (one who will proxy as my commander; that's the following purchase.)

Okay, that makes sense! A Fireblade isn't really all that points-efficient with 10 Fire Warriors, but his buff does start getting better once you have 15 or 20. Another Start Collecting box would be a good purchase, as would Pathfinders, or a Devilfish (if you like Breachers) or just more Gun Drones. Depends what playstyle you like best!


Aspiring Commander wrote:I really like this list, and this is probably what I'm going to trial next. Maybe the PAC is something I'll try out in a higher point battle, where range will become more of a factor.

With the Fireblade and the PA Drone group, you're buffing 80 points of Fire Warriors with 86 points of support- in my own list, I use about 100 points of support to buff 240 points of Fire Warriors. As long as your support costs less than 50% of the things that support is buffing (or, the support has some other function that can make it efficient) I'd say your doing well.


Aspiring Commander wrote:Once I've got the appropriate parts and magnets, I'll do something similar to your suit modified list- fusion blaster suits seem to be the rage for anti- tank in tau. That is, until i replace them with 4xFB commander :)

Sounds like a plan! If you want, start a project log and show us how it's all going! :biggrin: Anyway, with our codex possibly on the horizon for early next year, expect some Tau units to change- the Fusion Commander will probably remain a solid choice, but things like Hammerheads and Broadsides (lackluster choices for the time being) might get better- who knows! So, leave your options open if you can.

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