Just bought a tigershark ax 1-0 need help on a list

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CrappingEagle
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Just bought a tigershark ax 1-0 need help on a list

Post#1 » Nov 27 2017 01:05

I just bought the new forge world tigershark and I'm looking for some input on how to build a list for one. Along with that I would apprieciate some input on two of my current lists I made.



++ Battalion Detachment +3CP (T'au Empire) [50 PL, 938pts] ++

+ HQ +

Cadre Fireblade [2 PL, 42pts]: Markerlight

Commander [6 PL, 153pts]: Drone controller, 3x Missile pod

+ Troops +

Strike Team [3 PL, 40pts]: 5x Fire Warrior w/ Pulse Rifle

Strike Team [3 PL, 40pts]: 5x Fire Warrior w/ Pulse Rifle

Strike Team [3 PL, 40pts]: 5x Fire Warrior w/ Pulse Rifle

Strike Team [3 PL, 40pts]: 5x Fire Warrior w/ Pulse Rifle

+ Flyer +

Tiger Shark AX-1-0 [30 PL, 583pts]: 2x Burst cannon, 2x Heavy rail cannon, 2x Missile pod

++ Super-Heavy Auxiliary Detachment (T'au Empire) [22 PL, 422pts] ++

+ Lord of War +

KV128 Stormsurge [22 PL, 422pts]: 2x Flamer, Cluster rocket system, 4x Destroyer missile, Pulse blastcannon, Shield generator, 2x Smart missile system

++ Outrider Detachment +1CP (T'au Empire) [36 PL, 637pts] ++

+ HQ +

Aun'Va [4 PL, 75pts]: Aun'Va, Ethereal Guard, Ethereal Guard

+ Fast Attack +

Tactical Drones [4 PL, 50pts]: 5x MV7 Marker Drone

Tactical Drones [4 PL, 50pts]: 5x MV7 Marker Drone

Tactical Drones [4 PL, 50pts]: 5x MV7 Marker Drone

XV109 Y'vahra Battlesuit [20 PL, 412pts]: Stimulant injector, Target lock

++ Total: [108 PL, 1997pts] ++

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++ Outrider Detachment +1CP (T'au Empire) [72 PL, 1391pts] ++

+ HQ +

Ethereal [2 PL, 45pts]: Honour blade

+ Elites +

XV8 Crisis Battlesuits [14 PL, 255pts]: 6x MV1 Gun Drone
. Crisis Shas'ui: Advanced targeting system, 2x Burst cannon
. Crisis Shas'ui: Advanced targeting system, 2x Burst cannon
. Crisis Shas'vre: 2x Burst cannon, Drone controller

+ Fast Attack +

Pathfinder Team [3 PL, 40pts]
. 4x Pathfinder: 4x Markerlight
. Pathfinder Shas'ui: Markerlight, Pulse pistol

Pathfinder Team [3 PL, 40pts]
. 4x Pathfinder: 4x Markerlight
. Pathfinder Shas'ui: Markerlight, Pulse pistol

XV109 Y'vahra Battlesuit [20 PL, 412pts]: Stimulant injector, Target lock

+ Flyer +

Tiger Shark AX-1-0 [30 PL, 599pts]: 2x Cyclic ion blaster, 2x Heavy rail cannon, 2x Missile pod

++ Supreme Command Detachment +1CP (T'au Empire) [27 PL, 608pts] ++

+ HQ +

Commander [7 PL, 172pts]: Advanced targeting system, 3x Missile pod, 2x MV4 Shield Drone

Commander [7 PL, 163pts]: 3x Fusion blaster, 2x MV4 Shield Drone, Shield generator

Commander [7 PL, 163pts]: 3x Fusion blaster, 2x MV4 Shield Drone, Shield generator

+ Elites +

XV25 Stealth Battlesuits [6 PL, 110pts]: Homing beacon
. 2x Stealth Shas'ui w/o support system: 2x Burst cannon
. Stealth Shas'vre: Burst cannon

++ Total: [99 PL, 1999pts] ++

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CrappingEagle
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Re: Just bought a tigershark ax 1-0 need help on a list

Post#2 » Nov 27 2017 01:10

I forgot the put the main playstyle of the lists in the original post. The first list was made out a competitive list I have that often does really good. It is based around deep strike.
The second list is meant to be a bubble list with aun va in the center and the yvhara and tigershark taking out the heavy threats quick.

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Re: Just bought a tigershark ax 1-0 need help on a list

Post#3 » Nov 27 2017 02:24

I have to say you beat me to it im about to order mine next week, after looking at all the options i think point wise the Tiger Shark is a great option I just would configure on the Fighter-Bomber option. I truly believe is the best artillery option in the tau Army right now with the broadsides being so damn expensive,for 453 with ion cannons and skyspear missiles you get...
- 2D3 8 -2 3wound shots
- 2D6 6 -2 2woud shots
- 4 7 -1 1D3Wound shots
- 8 5 0 1wound shots
- 6 Seeker Missles

This on a Platform that has 2 BS (3BS when shooting) T8 5++ and 16 Wounds that is hard to hit. In my oppinion it is just a great deal, yes you lose the drone support of Broadsides or the Y'vahra. The AX-1-0 is a great option for titan killing but on most scenarios this is a real great option.
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Emberkahn
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Re: Just bought a tigershark ax 1-0 need help on a list

Post#4 » Nov 28 2017 04:55

Take the HBC over the Ion Cannons. They are much better. Also always take the skyspear missile racks, and if you have the points and marker light platforms seriously consider taking all 6 seeker missiles.

One of the best units in our codex right now. Have fun.

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Post#5 » Nov 28 2017 07:45

Emberkahn wrote:Take the HBC over the Ion Cannons. They are much better. Also always take the skyspear missile racks, and if you have the points and marker light platforms seriously consider taking all 6 seeker missiles.

One of the best units in our codex right now. Have fun.

So it seems like the general consensus from the responses is that the new tiger shark isn't that good and i should use it as a fighter bomber.

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Post#6 » Nov 28 2017 09:04

CrappingEagle wrote:
Emberkahn wrote:Take the HBC over the Ion Cannons. They are much better. Also always take the skyspear missile racks, and if you have the points and marker light platforms seriously consider taking all 6 seeker missiles.

One of the best units in our codex right now. Have fun.

So it seems like the general consensus from the responses is that the new tiger shark isn't that good and i should use it as a fighter bomber.

The Heavy Rail Cannon-equipped variant (the one with the two massive guns) is absolutely fantastic. Really big and really expensive, but it's got blistering anti-tank firepower. Is it perfectly points-efficient? No. But if you want devastating firepower at long range, it's the best thing we have at the moment. It's not perfect, but it's very good.

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Re: Just bought a tigershark ax 1-0 need help on a list

Post#7 » Nov 28 2017 09:28

I think the general consensus is that if you want anti-tank, stick with the Fusion commander. You can get 4 for the same price and even against Titans they will do considerably more damage. Like, by a factor of 3.

For anything else though, and hell even for anti medium-light tank, stick with the fighter bomber. It is fantastic. They shouldn't have given it T8.

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Post#8 » Nov 28 2017 10:55

Emberkahn wrote:I think the general consensus is that if you want anti-tank, stick with the Fusion commander. You can get 4 for the same price and even against Titans they will do considerably more damage. Like, by a factor of 3.

The Tigershark hits and wounds all targets on 2+. Even the Fusion Commander can't do that. Against a Leman Russ-equivalent target, the Tigershark will deal 9.7 wounds with the Heavy Rail Cannons alone while a Fusion Commander (about 1/3 the points) will deal 5.8 wounds. Three Fusion Commanders will deal 17.4 damage, less than double the damage of the Tigershark. Note that the Tigershark is significantly more powerful against Titanic units (at 19.4 average damage), carries four additional weapons (all of which have BS2+), can take up to six Seeker Missiles (again at BS2+), and is more durable than Fusion Commander(s) by a massive margin.

Emberkahn wrote:For anything else though, and hell even for anti medium-light tank, stick with the fighter bomber. It is fantastic. They shouldn't have given it T8.

This is true too! With those extra Missile Racks and the Heavy Burst Cannons the Fighter-Bomber is an absolutely vicious anti-infantry and anti-MEQ unit. However, CrappingEagle doesn't have a Fighter-Bomber, so that point is a little moot I think.

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Re: Just bought a tigershark ax 1-0 need help on a list

Post#9 » Nov 29 2017 03:50

CrappingEagle wrote:
Emberkahn wrote:Take the HBC over the Ion Cannons. They are much better. Also always take the skyspear missile racks, and if you have the points and marker light platforms seriously consider taking all 6 seeker missiles.

One of the best units in our codex right now. Have fun.

So it seems like the general consensus from the responses is that the new tiger shark isn't that good and i should use it as a fighter bomber.


The AX 1-0 is a specialist Titan hunter. If your opponent does not bring a Titan it is still good but not great. On the other hand if they bring a Titan the double damage on the main weapons is terrifyingly good.

With Chapter Approved moving most of the larger Titan class models outside of the points range for Matched Play I think you will see fewer good targets for the AX 1-0. The Fighter-Bomber on the other hand has a more versatile all-round weapons load making it better against a variety of targets.

Now if we are talking Apocalypse games then the AX 1-0 is definitely the bird of choice :D

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Re: Just bought a tigershark ax 1-0 need help on a list

Post#10 » Nov 29 2017 03:52

Arka0415 wrote:This is true too! With those extra Missile Racks and the Heavy Burst Cannons the Fighter-Bomber is an absolutely vicious anti-infantry and anti-MEQ unit. However, CrappingEagle doesn't have a Fighter-Bomber, so that point is a little moot I think.


I do not (yet) have the kit but I am curious. Other than the main weapons is there any difference between them? How hard would it be to kitbash a couple of HBC from Riptide kits onto an AX 1-0 airframe?

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Post#11 » Nov 29 2017 07:27

nic wrote:
Arka0415 wrote:This is true too! With those extra Missile Racks and the Heavy Burst Cannons the Fighter-Bomber is an absolutely vicious anti-infantry and anti-MEQ unit. However, CrappingEagle doesn't have a Fighter-Bomber, so that point is a little moot I think.


I do not (yet) have the kit but I am curious. Other than the main weapons is there any difference between them? How hard would it be to kitbash a couple of HBC from Riptide kits onto an AX 1-0 airframe?


Probably wouldn't be too hard to do that. There might be size/fit issues though. Also I don't think the AX-1-0 kit comes with Skyspear Missile Racks.

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Post#12 » Nov 29 2017 08:54

Arka0415 wrote:
nic wrote:
Arka0415 wrote:This is true too! With those extra Missile Racks and the Heavy Burst Cannons the Fighter-Bomber is an absolutely vicious anti-infantry and anti-MEQ unit. However, CrappingEagle doesn't have a Fighter-Bomber, so that point is a little moot I think.


I do not (yet) have the kit but I am curious. Other than the main weapons is there any difference between them? How hard would it be to kitbash a couple of HBC from Riptide kits onto an AX 1-0 airframe?


Probably wouldn't be too hard to do that. There might be size/fit issues though. Also I don't think the AX-1-0 kit comes with Skyspear Missile Racks.


I think it would be fairly easy to kitbash them together tbh; there is just minor variation in some of the weapon mounts, but nothing you couldn't pull together from spare missile pods etc.

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Re: Just bought a tigershark ax 1-0 need help on a list

Post#13 » Nov 30 2017 10:18

Emberkahn wrote:
Arka0415 wrote:
nic wrote:
I do not (yet) have the kit but I am curious. Other than the main weapons is there any difference between them? How hard would it be to kitbash a couple of HBC from Riptide kits onto an AX 1-0 airframe?


Probably wouldn't be too hard to do that. There might be size/fit issues though. Also I don't think the AX-1-0 kit comes with Skyspear Missile Racks.


I think it would be fairly easy to kitbash them together tbh; there is just minor variation in some of the weapon mounts, but nothing you couldn't pull together from spare missile pods etc.

I've yet to receive it but I'm fairly sure it would be pretty easy to convert it

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