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Re: Comments on the Official Tau Timeline

Post#11 » Aug 06 2009 01:35

sent.

you know, when you splay it all out the timeline looks really good- i just wish they hadn't slapped Farsight and Shadowsun in the same room- that the only notably 'ancient' tau was Aun'va and, unusually, Farsight like it used to be.


sigh. Maybe the new Space Wolves book will help us, no?
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Re: Comments on the Official Tau Timeline

Post#12 » Aug 06 2009 01:52

the only reason i ask is because that might void some of the interesting fluff that did exist- such as the new tactic being developed (great strength great strike).

The thing about the Ar'ka cannon is that it walks that line between fluff and gameplay (i talked with you then Doom- i think it's farfetched) and i don't think it was terraformation but base-building, but i havn't seen that game in a while. The groundwork for the Kauruva system was... interesting- and i'm only playing devils advocate but i'd like to know now if we intend on ignoring it.

And what are we going to do about Medusa?

also, going through some books:

Dal'yth Gal'leath Kessan embarks with a major fleet on an expedition to the Enclaves with Por'O jess'l, a venerated biologist. I would speculate this is somewhat just before the 3rd Sphere.

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Re: Comments on the Official Tau Timeline

Post#13 » Aug 06 2009 02:40

I personally don't think the development of a 'new tactic' is enough to warrant its inclusion in the wider scope here.

Sure, you can reference it in other fluff, but to think that after thousands of years of conflict that they are only now developing as rudimentary a tactic as the 'Great Strength, Great Strike' is a discredit to the Shas, if anything.

Besides, there are many hundreds of 'tactics' and schools of the Shas'ken'to out there. Including Soulstorm just for that one tactic would seem to warrant including the Dolumar IV incident, if only for its mention of the Ken'rai and Mon'wern'a... So you can see the logic here, yes?

And yes, Soulstorm specifically stated the moon was terraformed. Not only terraformed, but locally terraformed at that, since the surrounding area outside the Tau region was devoid of atmosphere capable of sustaining life.

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IRT Medusa, I think we should include the events, but in my opinion leave it in the 'undated' section until GW officially advances the timeline past 999.M41.

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I assume Aun'shi went along on that expedition with Por'O Jess'l? He too, in the BFG fluff, was said to lead an expedition to the Enclaves...

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Re: Comments on the Official Tau Timeline

Post#14 » Aug 10 2009 12:36

Thanks to the efforts of Warlord Imp, our timeline now has a piece of information available from the White Dwarf article "A World of Warrior." Thanks!
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Post#15 » Jul 28 2013 11:25

It has been almost four years since I last posted in this thread, but I'm happy to announce that after hours of work, Doombringer and myself have recreated the official Tau timeline. Not only have we updated the timeline with all of the events from Codex: Tau Empire - 6th Edition and Codex: Farsight Enclaves, we also took great pains to format it for ease-of-reading. I think both its comprehensiveness and its beauty puts the old timeline to shame.

Sources that we have yet to incorporate:
  • Various Battlefleet Gothic pieces.
  • The most recent Ciaphas Cain books and short stories.
  • Some information from the works of Braden Campbell and Peter Fehervari.
  • Material from the Deathwatch roleplaying game.

If you know of any other official sources with dates, please feel free to bring them to our attention in this thread. If you find any grammatical errors or typos, feel free to send me a private message. I take great pride in this work and will fix any problems immediately.

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Post#16 » Jul 29 2013 08:43

Thank you for your hard work,
this resource is now really clear to read (previous wasn't bad, just appreciating the new work here :) ).

That's what I love ATT for. Always something interesting to read, with some of the best discussions the internet contains.

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Post#17 » Aug 03 2013 03:35

Thanks Doom, Lyi'ot,

I had two quick questions: The first, I don't see anything about the Firewarrior book and Kais. I was thinking the Dolumar incident would happen possibly at the beginning of the 'Great Reclamation' as the Ethereal in that book describes an end to the 'Dal'yth Treaty' and a concerted military reprisal against the Imperium.

Additionally, are you going to include the comic that included Cadians fighting Tau?
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Post#18 » Aug 03 2013 03:49

Calmsword, good question. I've tried to include only events that have very specific dates, or can be guessed at with a high degree of certainty. The conjectured date for N'dras' abandonment is about as uncertain as I'd like to go in the "main" timeline post. I'm not adverse to including a last post of undated/uncertain events, like we had in the previous iteration of the timeline.

  • Fire Warrior: Has there ever been any agreement about its date, outside of "some time after the Damocles Gulf Crusade"?
  • Comic: I assume you mean Fire & Honour? I don't think there are any specific dates. The presence of experimental systems might indicated that it takes place during the Third Sphere Expansion, but again, without any date I won't be putting it into the "main" timeline.

If you have more specific dates or information, let us know.

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Post#19 » Aug 03 2013 05:02

I'll look it up- Fire and Honor doesn't have any dates and would be pure assumptions.

I'll look up Firewarrior ASAP, however, I'm pretty sure 'Aun'O Kath'lan is in communication with the forces around Dolumar and the Shas'Ar'Tol discusses the end of the ceasefire with humanity which would mean the 3rd Sphere, no?
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Post#20 » Aug 03 2013 06:20

Reviewing the Xenology Book (IIRC there was discussion about its material is canon or not), there was maybe another thing featured in.

121.842 M41 : O'Shovah went on the deserted imperial colony of Becuba's Hope and is told to do this "before he turn renegade".
(just after Tau dissection, legend of the same image than the 2001 Codex Tau p50, told to be taken by imperial datum drone. )

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I suspect that the last part of datum drone name "121842" is the time it was sent (121.842 M41).
This is speculation but there is clues that it seems true:
- At this time, Farsight has only started his rebellion for few years so imperial sources can be messed about the time he's gone rogue (but the interrogation log in the book is weird about that...). The old marking of TRUEFIRE can be also a misleading since it appears to be changed after for FARSIGHT on his new battlesuit.
- He already have the Dawn Blade at this time (with his "old-style" XV8).

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Re: Comments on the Official Tau Timeline

Post#21 » Aug 03 2013 07:25

Calmsword wrote:I'll look up Firewarrior ASAP, however, I'm pretty sure 'Aun'O Kath'lan is in communication with the forces around Dolumar and the Shas'Ar'Tol discusses the end of the ceasefire with humanity which would mean the 3rd Sphere, no?

The Tau and Imperium have fought so many times since Dal'yth that it's hard for me to think that there was any official ceasefire that ended with the launch of the Third Sphere. I mean, within years the Tau have launched reclamation fleets back across the Gulf.

Kael'yn wrote:Reviewing the Xenology Book (IIRC there was discussion about its material is canon or not)
Calmsword has expressed the opinion that is no longer canon. I assume that it's canon, just a book that's slowly getting older and slowly being overwritten. Thank you for the reference to Becuba's Hope; I'll look into it and get it on the timeline.

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Post#22 » Aug 03 2013 01:51

Fire Warrior is set sometime between the Damocles Gulf Crusade and the Third Sphere Expansion.

There is exposition in the novel of a small number brushfire skirmishes taking place since the Dal'yth ceasefire, though its placement on the timeline is made difficult by the fact that Ultramarines 3rd Company Captain Ardias died fighting Hive Fleet Behemoth in 745.M41.

I take a patchwork approach to correcting this issue and assume that Simon Spurrier overlooked this bit of info, and thus Captain Ardias in the novel should be whoever replaced him post-Macragge.

The presence of a tau Emissary-class cruiser, which I previously took to mean it should be contemporary with the Third Sphere, is no longer a factor to me. Where the Kor'or'vesh was originally introduced in the Third Sphere expansion according to Imperial Armour III: The Taros Campaign, more recent GW publications have made mention of Custodian-class battleships participating in the Damocles Gulf Crusade. The Kor'or'vesh vessels now appear to have been phased into service slowly over the course of the last three centuries.

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Post#23 » Aug 03 2013 05:01

Ardias Die in Joram in 745.M41 for a raid against that system by the 3rd Company of the Ultramarines. at least that came out in the Codex Space Marines - Tau domain Joram continues to date.

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Post#24 » Aug 03 2013 05:50

Thanks for that reference, Isoroku.

So yeah, Fire Warrior exists out of time or some serious warp-muddling has taken place.

  • Captain Ardias dies in 745.M41 during the Joran Retaliation, yet is the 3rd Company Captain during the events of the novel. [WD 255, pg. 17]
  • The collapse of the Damocles Gulf Crusade is mentioned as having taken place "two hundred years previously." [Fire Warrior, pg. 101]
  • A single datestamp exists in the novel - 5732341.M41 - during a data transmission from Dolumar IV to the Imperial Navy fleet. Whether this is a reference, code of some sort, or the present date is unclear. [Fire Warrior, pg. 60]
  • Hive Fleet Kraken, which began to enter the galaxy in the early 990s.M41, is mentioned to have been encroaching on nearby sectors eight years prior to the events of the novel. [Fire Warrior, pg. 128]

Needless to say, the book's sequential continuity is so broken that to even attempt to place it anywhere on the timeline is a fool's errand.

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Additionally, I don't think that Xenology date is legitimate.

It appears to be the datum-drone's designation. The main events of the book take place in 805.M41, and the book represents a spoken log of Inquisitor Sasham's observations and reviewed documents.

The arco-stylus picture of Farsight must therefore have been taken prior to 805.M41, which doesn't coincide with the new Farsight Enclaves codex timeline and represents yet another unfortunate oversight by Games Workshop/Black Library.

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Post#25 » Oct 18 2013 12:48

The timeline has been updated with new information from Codex: Space Marines - 6th Edition. Unfortunately, I only have a .epub copy, so I was unable to get the page numbers for the new entries with any precision. My exacting por heart, it breaks.

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Post#26 » Oct 18 2013 04:39

Lyi'ot wrote:The timeline has been updated with new information from Codex: Space Marines - 6th Edition. Unfortunately, I only have a .epub copy, so I was unable to get the page numbers for the new entries with any precision. My exacting por heart, it breaks.

I'm not sure if the por part was supposed to be wordplay or not.

Anyways, I can look through C:SM tonight or tomorrow for the pages (a friend owns it), but I couldn't find which parts were attributed to the 6th ed codex on the timeline. Also, there are some inconsistencies in the format of the citations. For example:
799.M41... (Codex: Space Marines - 5th Edition, 40)
303.999.M41... (Codex: Space Marines (5th Edition), 40, 48)

I'm not sure if that's worrisome enough to bother fixing, but I noticed it while using my browser's search function for the 6th ed SM so I wouldn't have to ask you this question.

If you don't respond before I search there are no worries – I only wanted them to expedite my search – I'll just look for all of the Tau references I can.

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Re: Comments on the Official Tau Timeline

Post#27 » Oct 19 2013 05:43

ARC'Thunder, I think you followed the first post's link through to the old timeline. Check out the current timeline, stickied at the top of the subforum; not only is it much longer, I tried to be as meticulous as possible with consistent formatting. (I totally thought it was worrisome enough to fix! :D ) Naturally, if you find a problem or a typo or anything, let me know; the timeline is my pride and joy, and I want 'er in the best shape possible.

A find-search for Codex: Space Marines - 6th Edition should find you what I've attributed to the codex.

I've also updated the timeline with one entry from the most recent "Rail Rifle" fluff supplement. I haven't purchased it myself; the information comes from one of the preview pages. If there are more dates in the download, let me know!

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Post#28 » Oct 20 2013 10:14

Lyi'ot wrote:ARC'Thunder, I think you followed the first post's link through to the old timeline
:eek: Welp. My apologies for the confusion.

Anyways, the list below contains the page numbers and relevant chapter timeline for each reference I found:
  • 900.M41: pg 29 (Ultramarines)
  • 940.M41: pg 19 (Brotherhood at War)
  • 963.M41: pg 29 (Ultramarines)
  • 993.M41: Pg 45 (Imperial Fists), pg 53 (Black Templars)
  • 998.M41: pg 70 (Iron Hands)
  • 742.M41 - Damocles: pg 70 (Iron Hands)

It should be noted that I had "pg 38 (White Scars)" written in my notebook for a 742.M41 entry, but I can't remember if it had any references to the Tau. I might have just written it down because of the date, but I'll double check later today and edit my post.

And I didn't purchase the Rail Rifle book, but I did foolishly purchase the Burst Cannon one... it doesn't have any dates.

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