oakreef wrote:The fluff for the Fireblade says that Shas'ui who refuse to take up a battlesuit cannot rise beyond a special rank called Shas'nel that is considered to be just below Shas'el.
TauMan wrote:Which leads to another question. Shouldn't Longstrke's rank be a 'N' series too? Like Shas'Nvre'R'ka? The codex strangely does not give him any rank whatsoever?
Codex: Tau Empire, 6th edition, pg. 62, "Longstrike" wrote: Master Gunship pilot Shas'la T'au Sha'ng, now better known as Longstrike, has quickly become the Fire caste's most heralded tank ace.
Codex: Tau Empire, 6th edition, pg 36, "Cadre Fireblades" wrote:... no one knows a Fire Warrior's strength better than a Cadre Fireblade. A Cadre Fireblade will extol what they believe to be the Tau's strength - overwhelming infantry firepower!
TauMan wrote:**Sometime in the past, a A.T.T. contributor did a 'career path' outline for these sorts of infantry/armour/Recon-attack fields.** I think this was done back I think during 4th or 5th editions of the rules. It use to be (still is?) posted here on the site. Sadly I couldn't find it again, as it would have dovetailed nicely with the whole idea of a 'N' series officer corp. If anyone knows where it's at on A.T.T. please could drop us the link to the forum/thread? Thanks.
Doombringer wrote:According to the Farsight Enclaves Supplement, Shas progress through their training linearly as Space Marines do, eventually making their way through every occupational specialty until they reach Shas'el.
I take issue with this for a number of reasons related to common sense, training and proficiency, and practicality. Tau already have short lifespans, you can't afford to make them specialists at everything, and there are a wealth of suggestions elsewhere in the background that Tau are all about finding niches and settling into them with pride.
Longstrike does have a rank.TauMan wrote:Which leads to another question. Shouldn't Longstrke's rank be a 'N' series too? Like Shas'Nvre'R'ka? The codex strangely does not give him any rank whatsoever? "Hold up weren't we talking about GW be inconsistent just a raik'or ago?" "D'OH!"
I'm not exactly sure what this is supposed to be. Are you fixing the fluff? There isn't really anything wrong with the way it's written in the codex, and this fix doesn't really mesh with the facts provided by the source. It just kind of ignores them:TauMan wrote:Longstrike: Longstrike is the Suit
This rule is real mud puddle, and if he is just a Shas'La, then we didn't get our Sergeant Chronus! All we got was a better than average kid in a fancy suit! When you think about it, the rule actually should concern the XV02 Pilot Battlesuit. The back story of Shas'La'Ng is about a firewarrior who earned the name 'Longstrike', and for whom then the XV02 suit is based on. But unlike with Commander Puretide, the Earth caste decided to put his awesome abilities into the XV02, rather than on a slice of silicon. In other words the real Longstrike wouldn't need the suit, because he IS the suit. Your average Shas'La needs the XV02 to make himself or herself into Longstrike.
I'm not sure that answer actually relates to your question, but it is true that GW creates models before fluff and rules. This was actually described in White Dwarf when our codex was released; the team decided to make a "large battlesuit", designed it, and then came up with the XV104 and rules to justify it. While this is exactly backwards for most real-world game designers and militaries, it is the case with GW.TauMan wrote:So why isn't it simply a XV02 Pilot suit or just Longstrike without the suit?
Reason: Because GW wanted to sell a new model. For all we know the sculptor may have made the original done before the rules were even thought of. We just don't know?
We can be fairly certain that his rank is 'la. Not only does his codex entry outright say this, but he earned his name and the honor of wearing the prototype on Taros in 998.M41. This means that he could, at best, have been promoted to a 'ui if he had a trial by fire between his participation at Mu'gulath Bay (757.999.M41, roughly a year after Taros) and the present (999.999.M41?). Besides, assuming he has gained ranks beyond what was stated in the codex would be like hypothesizing that Shadowsun is presently retired because she was labeled an 'o in the codex.TauMan wrote:I started with Longstrike because three people all posted that his rank was Shas'La. But all we really know about Longstrike is his story, and what his rank was when he earned his name. We don't know what his rank is now? We don't know where he is? We don't know what position he holds, or even what he is up to now?
Gamewise: He's probably a Shas'Vre or Shas'El and commands an Armour spearhead. He has three more awesome abilities (in addition to those he already has i.e. the XV02 abilities), and a BS of 6. In other words he moved on from his Shas'La days when the suit was based on him.
Fluffwise: He's probably on his way to becoming the General Abrams or General Timoshenko of the Tau Empire!
Kael'yn wrote:Unusal ranks were not first introduced with Fireblade: Hazard pilots are shas'yr.
"N" is not a typo because the shas'el rank is compared to Fireblade.
And maybe the shas'nel is not a rank, but the translation of "Fireblade" ("Shas" means "fire"). In the French codex it is said (translated) "Thus, a Fireblade, or shas'nel, ..." nothing told that this is a rank.
'You are the N'el Shas'O?'
'The second-most important.'
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