Right now, after three responses, the only "solutions" we have to this growing issue are: keep an open mind and accept it, or cherry-pick whatever one doesn't like out of the lore. Both of these options are what many people already do, and, quite frankly, the only real options available to hobbyists who are unhappy with the lore. However, the cherry-picking option doesn't leave much room for discussion with people who either accept all the fluff or cherry-pick different parts of it.
ARC'Thunder: The purpose of this post is to start a discussion amongst a community I am a part of, have invested in, and am eager to learn more from. The point of having a community is to have discussions- I'm not pitting anyone against one another, I'm highlighting recent developments in a hobby... That in itself would be the purpose of this or any other message board community at least in part. No?
Cherry picking is a time honored tradition amongst the explosion of interest in nerd-intellectual properties by Star Wars. Anyone older than 30 is going to remember that the only outlet for wanting 'new' or 'fresh' stories in that universe was by going to the Expanding Universe (Thrawn, Black Fleet Crisis, Shadows of the Empire)- All of which cherry picked and grew up a magnificent story which, is now, gone and being cherry picked itself.
We know that that GW, BL and FW all use this site in particular for research just as Tau Online, Warseer and Dakka Dakka are used= To gauge the temperature of the community. This topic is a concern I have as a member of the hobby and community= I'm interested in seeing if other people feel the same which in turn.
I find it disheartening to think I'm just trying to bait two mindsets into some kind of open conflict and after years of talking to each other you should know I'm not doing that.
Additionally, this post is directly discussing the leaked Magnus book about to come out. As you've noted I've already voiced my concerns about the Mont'ka book.
Yeah, I'm not entirely sure what the complaint is here. I mean we've had a status quo for many, many years, with things barely moving forward. In the past year or two we've seen GW moving the hand closer to midnight on the doomsday clock (and if the rumours are true that will continue for quite a while more). It's quite exciting that the fluff is moving forward and that things are changing. It allows for new units and new armies.
Pilky: Sorry for responding so late to this forum. The complaint isn't in keeping the status quo= it's what's happening to the fluff itself. End Times brought decisive conclusions to all the many threads of Fantasy and then, twist, blew up the planet and completely ended the Fantasy storyline... To the horror of many people in that community which in turn resulted in a new community forming with hundreds of gamers and authors rejecting AoS and remaining in a new age of the Fantasy game and storyline that ignores AoS to a successful degree.
My interest in looking at what might be happening to 40k is that we might be getting our own 'blow up' but more importantly there is a mishandling of fluff (the soul of the game many would argue) that is out of line with the established storyline and the rules it plays by. For example: The Space Wolves allowing the Fenrisians to be culled is in direct contradiction to the Space Wolves sticking up for the 'little guy'... And why? What was accomplished? The status quo was kept at the cost of one of the founding principles of that chapter.
At least the discourse in this thread is well thought out and so far remains civil.
Agreed (and I hope there is no perceived 'tone' in my post) we're all cordial here.
With all respect to Kakapo42, I should add one thing to all the tropes he listed. To the GW credit, right now they have UnpleasableFanbase. If they do anything there would be complains.
And that's true. The fanbase is upset- and shaking something up to the extent that they seem to be doing is at least going to point them in a direction with NEW stories. I found myself hating the Beast series in the beginning but in the end actually go on board with it.
Again, since there is so much hands-shaking 'what is the point of this post'= This is the point of it. Each one of us, as educated members of the 40k community, should bring up things we're enjoy and things we don't. And it's not just railing against the perceived injustices of the people forging a new path, it's my voiced concern
And, please remember, I'm also interested in everyone's opinion on the matter. The Tau were dealt a crippling blow to their story: A gulf of empty space is now on fire, cutting the Empire off from their Third Sphere, Farsight returning to a hivefleet and a Caste system without it's Highest Ethereal- those are big steps that fell badly on the community to a great extent (if the internet and local shops can ever be the thermometer for our hobby) yet GW clearly regarded as a hit due to an uptick in sales (bigger battlesuits).
Now it's happening to another faction and, conceivably, every faction. I want to talk about that and what that means for 40k as a whole- this is the forum to have that conversation.