The Tau Triumvirate

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Denirosek
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The Tau Triumvirate

Post#1 » Feb 28 2017 08:28

Greetings!

As the Gathering Storm has introduced some great and important characters such as resurrected Primarch, newborn Eldar god or Arch-Magos of the Adeptus Mechanicum, I've been wondering what characters of the Tau Empire could match them in greatness and their existence would still make sense from a fluff point of view. Given that GW has already said that every major faction will get something this year, and so far it has all been in a form of the Triumvirates, it's safe to assume the Tau Empire will get one as well. So here are my predictions of who will be in the said Triumvirate and I wish to hear yours.

First of all, I really don't want to Shadowsun or Farsight to appear in the Triumvirate. Both are great characters, extremely important to the Empire and I really love them but... they've been our only major heroes for quite a while now and they're getting kinda... boring, for the lack of better word. The Tau Empire deserves more heroes and with them a breath of fresh air.

My first guess would be the new Ethereal Supreme. As Aun'Va is dead there is no supreme leader of the Tau Empire. Such regency cannot last for long and another Ethereal has to be chosen quickly. Who is he going to be, I have no idea. I've seen some people suggesting Aun'Shi ought to become one, though I find it unlikely, I'm rather counting on a new character and GW certainly isn't afraid of bringing new heroes.

The second one would be... Commander Puretide. I know what you're thinking, we're not the Imperium, we cannot bring back near-immortal heroes dead for millenia back to life. However, that doesn't mean we cannot grant our greatest heroes another life. As Oblotai has already proven, we have the technology. We can rebuild him. I believe that only a mastered Puretide A.I. will be anywhere close on the scale of epicness to Yncarne or Roboute Guilliman.

The last pick was quite difficult for me. I've been thinking about the previous Triumvirates and how they followed similar pattern - fighter: a character that has a great statline and abilities allowing it to excel at combat: St. Katherine, Roboute Guilliman or Visarch; support: a character that has abilities allowing its allies to fight better: Greyfax, Yvraine and Voldus - all powerful psykers; and sort of a tactical specialist whose special rules can change how the whole army plays: Yncarne, Cypher, Belisarius Cawl. These are somewhat inaccurate archetypes, however I think they make some sense. As such Ethereal Supreme would obviously take a place of "support" together with psykers, as Ethereal powers are somewhat psyker-like. Puretide would take his rightful place as a master tactician. That would leave us with a typically combat-oriented character and I thought that the only character that would make sense here, would be some great Kroot leader. We've had one Kroot character and there's no way Anghkor Prok would make it to the 41st millenium. The Kroot don't get the love they deserve and a powerful Kroot pack leader, with a proper diet, would make sense as a member of the Triumvirate.

So here are my picks for the heroes of the Tau Empire. I'd love to know your thought on my suggestions and if you have better ones, please do share them with us! :biggrin:
Prosper, as Tau shall.

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Post#2 » Feb 28 2017 01:03

My guess would be Shas'O Kais, the new Ethereal Supreme and something non-tau. Possibly a Necron or some Auxiliary race.
Puretide could be possible as well but I doubt it tbh. We already pretty much have him around with the Puretide Engram Neurochip and the Farsight/Shadowsun/Kais student trio.

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Post#3 » Feb 28 2017 06:21

I'm in agreement with Denirosek that Farsight and Shadowsun seem like odd choices to include, given the strong tendency (with the sole exception of St. Celestine) to introduce entirely new characters or characters that until now have not had rules to represent them (Guilliman being the only example of the latter).

I can't agree that an AI Puretide would be likely - he's primarily a teacher, and we already have the PEN. Not completely impossible, as Oblotai shows, but still not likely in my book. In terms of the "changes the tactics of the army" sort of situation, Puretide's influence would already be represented by the Mont'ka and Kauyon styles - it adds to the existing, rather than changing it to something new.

Shas'o Kais seems more likely, in that he's the last of the 3 straight-from-the-real-source Puretide students, and has never really been statted out. Further, he fits in better with a CHANGE in tactics rather than an addition to existing tactics - his Monat-focused style is an entirely different style of war, and that could be used to justify some interesting army-wide changes.

A new Ethereal Supreme makes a great deal of sense. I wouldn't mind seeing a new Ethereal, rather than Aun'shi - I'd rather have a choice between Ethereal special characters rather than a replacement.

A Kroot special character to lead auxiliary forces seems fitting as well. If its Anghor Prok, I wouldn't mind a new Kroot character - preferrably one that represents Kroot Mercenaries more than the kroot dedicated to supporting the Tau Empire, as that would allow other factions an in to using Kroot, and the more representation we get of Kroot outside the framework of their support for the Tau Empire, the better, IMO.

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Post#4 » Feb 28 2017 07:15

If I'm not mistaken, this is topic is technically off limits, as speculation-wishlisting, but I grant it's also a very exciting time in 40k. But, I suppose until it gets locked...

Unusualsuspect wrote:I'm in agreement with Denirosek that Farsight and Shadowsun seem like odd choices to include, given the strong tendency (with the sole exception of St. Celestine) to introduce entirely new characters or characters that until now have not had rules to represent them (Guilliman being the only example of the latter).


Cypher had a pre-existing sculpt, and rules-set, too.

I think that Farsight and Shadowsun have a very good chance of becoming part of the triumverate, or at least being involved in our eventual Storm. I've seen it suggested that the Dawnblade might be one of the missing Croneswords Shadowsun or Farsight getting entirely new suits would be pretty easy way to "refresh" the characters, and we know they'd sell.

Personally, though, I hope for a Gue'vesa, a Kroot, or a even a Vespid HQ.

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Post#5 » Feb 28 2017 07:24

I don't think the Tau will, they already got their part of this story with Damocles and Mont'Ka--the rest will focus on Guilliman and will probably cut off after he beats Chaos away from Terra.

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Post#6 » Mar 01 2017 02:07

I think there will be multiple campaigns featuring different factions and areas. Tau are not likely to be in the final act of gathering storm 3 since it would make no sense at this point. I do think we'll get a story this year though. Would be ridiculous if we don't given we are a great selling range.

I know I sound greedy here, but I want a Farsight/Shadowsun refresh, a new Ethereal Supreme, and an Auxiliary leader of some kind and at least one or two new Tau characters since our unique character range is so anemic.

It's evident they are giving every faction some sort of huge set piece leader like Magnus/Yncarne/Guilliman. So I think the only real candidate would be some sort of super suit commander. Farsight in a huge melee riptide or O'kais could both potentially fit the bill.

Honestly at this point the Tau are so open to going in any direction this is the one faction that is almost pointless to speculate for since anything could happen.

Could we see a third faction of Tau emerge using the existing model range that wants to unify the FSE/TE and uses their own brand of rules? Who knows. All I know is I'm super excited for these upcoming crazy times. If they bring back Guilliman and rumor has it are even considering letting the Emperor die then something equally crazy has to happen to the Tau.

Here are my off the wall bonkers ideas for these crazy times.

Chaos Tau
Necron-Tau
Super FTL/cloning/super high birth rates leads to an explosive and huge expansion into a legit Empire that the IoM definitely sees as a huge threat.

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Post#7 » Oct 23 2017 05:39

For the triumvirate I would expect something different. Still following the mentioned pattern of fighter, Support and tactical specialist.

Fighter:
I would be glad to see the Ethereal as melee monster. Of course then he would not be the new, highest Aun
but perhaps one of his students, one with a new mindset, other than former Ethereals, one that uses tau
technology like drones and armour to protect himself and who is really talented with his blade.

Support:
Could be something like a Nagi (our first allies) on hover drone for psyker-defence.
Could also be the next generation of drones. A big command and control drone which collects datas
from every unit on the field and so is able to predict enemy movements and intents and so grants
bonuses to the rest of the army

Tactical specialist:
Could be the mentioned Kroot mercenary. This would demonstrate that Kroot aren´t primitives and as mercenaries they really have fought every possible enemy in the whole galaxy.

Because we don´t have this god-like heroes I have no problem with more than three heroes. :)

What are you thinking about this?

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Post#8 » Oct 23 2017 05:45

I honestly wouldn't expext a triumvirate at all. That was a Gathering Storm thing and so far exclusive for those books. There are no indications that GW will make other triumvirate boxes.

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Post#9 » Oct 24 2017 12:50

Fluff wise, our triumvirate was O'Shovah (Fighter), Shadowsun (Tactical), and Aun'va (Support).

In T'au history, the other three big characters have been Angkhor Prok, Puretide, and Aun'Shi.

I really want to see a Kroot character, please GW, give us one. So, ideally we'd get a badass fire caste warrior as our fighter (battlsuit optional, but appreciated), a sneaky and tactical kroot, and an inspiring ethereal character to fulfill the support role.

A demiurg character would be welcome too if they do introduce them to the range, but I'm not sure which of those three roles they'd fill, but if they're sufficiently tech-focused, they could fulfill either the tactical or support role, depending on their abilities. The same could also be said of an earth caste engineer character with a collection of unique experimental drones, which I feel would be a little bit cooler than just the drones on their own.

We never got a triumvirate of models, (apart from the implied Farsight, Shadowsun, Aun'va trio) and Panzer is probably right, I doubt we'll get one now that the Gathering Storm has gathered and gone, but this was always a fluffy question so that's cool too.
Also, bear in mind that we never got our "three" but we did get "The Eight" if you're looking for a nice characterful bunch of Tau. None apart from Farsight were really unique though, which is a bummer.

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Post#10 » Oct 24 2017 01:00

Harkus959 wrote:Fluff wise, our triumvirate was O'Shovah (Fighter), Shadowsun (Tactical), and Aun'va (Support).

In T'au history, the other three big characters have been Angkhor Prok, Puretide, and Aun'Shi.

Totally ignoring our third military leader. Just wow. FeelsBadMan

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Post#11 » Oct 24 2017 02:21

Panzer wrote:
Harkus959 wrote:Fluff wise, our triumvirate was O'Shovah (Fighter), Shadowsun (Tactical), and Aun'va (Support).

In T'au history, the other three big characters have been Angkhor Prok, Puretide, and Aun'Shi.

Totally ignoring our third military leader. Just wow. FeelsBadMan


:P O'Kais was a contemporary of Shadowsun and Farsight, and he never got an in-game character, so he's not eligible for the current triumvirate. And, due to him being contemporary, he's not eligible for the historical triumvirate either I'm afraid, although Aun'Shi can be exchanged for Aun'Wei if we want to limit it to characters that don't have in-game representatives.

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Post#12 » Oct 24 2017 03:31

I just hope we get a model and rules for O'Kais eventually. I imagine him as a more bulky commander with the amount of weapons close to the Stormsurge. :D

Anyway, I'd really like to learn about the current times T'au fluff and what's with our named characters. None of them should be alive anymore except for Shadowsun/O'Kais who get put into stasis regularly and the FSE ones who are by one or another means pretty much immortal lol

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Post#13 » Oct 24 2017 03:44

O'Kais is also the Tau commander in Dawn of War: Dark Crusade, and fully upgraded he is an absolute monster.

XV22 battlesuit with jetpack, stealth field, missile pods, plasma rifle, and flamer. He has access to a burst cannon and a fusion blaster too earlier in his upgrade tree.
Plus he gets a gun and shield drone, iridium armour, and an "advanced sensor array" which I imagine is like ATS, Velocity Tracker, Blacken Filter, Target Lock, EWO, and multi-purpose all rolled into one because he's that badass.

He looks awesome too.

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Post#14 » Oct 24 2017 03:53

Yeah he's a one-man army. He gets all the weapons, support systems and other technology of the T'au Empire. Of course the game is pretty old by now and if he were to get actual rules and a model for him things would be different, however I don't doubt that he'd still be a one-man army and maybe a special character that's actually a real monster for once.

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Post#15 » Oct 24 2017 06:30

Harkus959 wrote:O'Kais is also the Tau commander in Dawn of War: Dark Crusade, and fully upgraded he is an absolute monster.

XV22 battlesuit with jetpack, stealth field, missile pods, plasma rifle, and flamer. He has access to a burst cannon and a fusion blaster too earlier in his upgrade tree.
Plus he gets a gun and shield drone, iridium armour, and an "advanced sensor array" which I imagine is like ATS, Velocity Tracker, Blacken Filter, Target Lock, EWO, and multi-purpose all rolled into one because he's that badass.

He looks awesome too.

It'd be nice to get a cool special character whose loadout could be customized. I'm annoyed by GW giving other factions these immensely-strong characters with great loadouts, while we get stuck with things like 2x Fusion Blaster Shadowsun or only-has-one-Plasma-Rifle Farsight.

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Post#16 » Oct 25 2017 03:50

I noticed that the majority don´t want to change the usual pattern of the wise Ethereal, the Commander in a suit and so on.
So am I the only one who would welcome a new style of characters with inverted roles?
Perhaps a wise Kroot, a young Ethereal who feels well fighting in the gunline and a supreme commander who focus on stategy and tactics and not on wearing suits and blowing things up on his own :fear: ?


It'd be nice to get a cool special character whose loadout could be customized. I'm annoyed by GW giving other factions these immensely-strong characters with great loadouts, while we get stuck with things like 2x Fusion Blaster Shadowsun or only-has-one-Plasma-Rifle Farsight.


Not to say that such a commander, a one-man-army, would not be really nice,too. :D


By the way, it doesn´t have to become a Triumvirate, the characters would work alone as well.

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Post#17 » Oct 25 2017 03:55

Shas'O Ora wrote:I noticed that the majority don´t want to change the usual pattern of the wise Ethereal, the Commander in a suit and so on.
So am I the only one who would welcome a new style of characters with inverted roles?
Perhaps a wise Kroot, a young Ethereal who feels well fighting in the gunline and a supreme commander who focus on stategy and tactics and not on wearing suits and blowing things up on his own :fear: ?

You can focus on strategy on tactics while wearing a Battlesuit. Refusing to pilot a Battlesuit gives you nothing but troubles with the Ethereals and the Fire Caste and is considered very odd. We also have one of those already. He's called Darkstrider. Fireblades are somewhat in that direction as well, just that they didn't really refuse to pilot a Battlesuit.

A wise Kroot would be Anghkor Prok and indeed it would be very awesome to get a new model for him.

An Ethereal who isn't the usual wise priest-like figure would be Aun'Shi. He's more of a warrior monk.

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Post#18 » Oct 25 2017 04:00

Shas'O Ora wrote:I noticed that the majority don´t want to change the usual pattern of the wise Ethereal, the Commander in a suit and so on.
So am I the only one who would welcome a new style of characters with inverted roles?
Perhaps a wise Kroot, a young Ethereal who feels well fighting in the gunline and a supreme commander who focus on stategy and tactics and not on wearing suits and blowing things up on his own?

What I think I'd most like to see would be a character with a unique activated ability. Maybe an orbital bombardment-type attack, or a vehicle/battlesuit repair, or (gasp) a psyker.


Shas'O Ora wrote:
Arka0415 wrote:It'd be nice to get a cool special character whose loadout could be customized. I'm annoyed by GW giving other factions these immensely-strong characters with great loadouts, while we get stuck with things like 2x Fusion Blaster Shadowsun or only-has-one-Plasma-Rifle Farsight.


Not to say that such a commander, a one-man-army, would not be really nice,too.

If we got a character like O'Kais, he'd need to come at a really steep discount, or I don't think people would take him. It'd be like the Coldstar, or Shadowsun, or Farsight; a Tau Commander with a small number of weapons, or varied weapons, just isn't worth it (from a damage standpoint). If Marneus Calgar didn't have Terminator Armor and Power Fists, and instead had a Flamer, Meltagun, and Autocannon, would anyone take him? Probably not.

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