Ell'ran wrote:I actually wasn't filling up on points for this list. I was sitting very comfortably in a 1400 point bubble. The Target Lock on the Shas'el was for when he attaches to Fire Warrior Teams and stuff similar. Either way, the Crisis didn't really perform well in this match, and that's not their fault, the battle just played out that way.
Instead of making the entire team awesome, I just make the Team Leader really awesome and I give him a ton of ablative wounds. It just so happens that some of these ablative wounds have Burst Cannons or 4+ Invulnerables etc. Even the Crisis Shas'ui was (kind of) an ablative wound for the Shas'el. When I play, I don't particularly care about the Drone's survival, just the suits.
Edit- Just a small footnote, I kind of liked using a Fire Team of mixed Carbines and Rifles. We'll have to see how they perform in future deployments. On more than one occasion the Fire Warrior Team was able to pin enemy infantry, and it was glorious every single time.
Crunchy_Monk wrote:After reading your battle report, I am considering "re-tooling" my stealth team to more of a gun team than a stealth marker light team like mine have been performing as. Now, granted, the SMT has proven to be useful as is, but I wonder if they wouldn't prove to be more useful under another configuration. The only thing I have not liked about the SMT is their overall lack of mobility (needing to stand still in order to fire the marker lights), and as a result seem to die almost every game to enemy assault. Your stealth team appears to be not only highly mobile, but carries quite a bit of firepower as well.
I do love how they managed to take out the tank at the end though.
Ell'ran wrote:I don't see how you can say that my units aren't effective. You weren't there watching the game so how do you know?
You can't just automatically assume that something is wrong just because it isn't a Fireknife spam.
Yes, I'll agree my opponent was an idiot of sorts, but he is a regular opponent and he fights against my cadre all the time, and so is quite familiar with my tactics and has learned the hard way to fear our suits (of all sizes). He knows his target priority quite well (sometimes. I try to hide which Railguns he should take out first) and is very good at winning games at any cost.
Also according to him, the ablative drones are one of the most annoying things about my army, even more so than Disruption Pods (he has not told me this directly but his reactions have).
Peregrine wrote:For example, your SMT. You start with stealth suits, already a really overpriced unit. Then you add both a fusion gun and a markerlight to your team leader, which pretty much guarantees that at least one of them will be wasted (remember, it's not a networked markerlight) since you want to use them against two different targets. Then you add a HWTL and HWMT. The HWMT will rarely be used since at least one of your weapons will be ineffective against any chosen target...
Peregrine wrote:...and the HWTL will rarely be used since getting into an ideal position for your team leader's weapons often means that the rest of the squad won't have any good targets to shoot at.
2) Suits w/ DC and no drones. That way there are no major concerns about losing Drones to a lost operator.
A model with a drone controller must take one or two...drones, in any combination, from the wargear list. (pg. 26 Tau Empire Codex)
Samurai_Aly wrote:2) Suits w/ DC and no drones. That way there are no major concerns about losing Drones to a lost operator.
Just one thing: If you take a drone controller you have to take at least one drone with that model.A model with a drone controller must take one or two...drones, in any combination, from the wargear list. (pg. 26 Tau Empire Codex)
Ell'ran wrote:I really don't understand what you're talking about here. Nothing will be wasted because this isn't one of my main offensive units. It can be, but there is another Stealth Team that operates as an offensive unit.
I typically use the HWTL to split the markerlights fire
In my list construction, it's not that everything else is expendable, it's that there are different levels of expendableness (sp???). Using my SMT as an example, there are essentially 4 levels.
This is correct.Peregrine wrote:I think what he was talking about there was removing models whose drones have already been killed (since drones are his first choice of casualties). Obviously these models would have started the game with 1-2 drones.
Peregrine wrote:Even if it isn't an offensive unit, every point spent on your support unit is a point not spent on your vital offensive units. If those points are spent on marginally useful upgrades, you're just wasting them.
Peregrine wrote:Markerlight, singular.
The problem is your stated plan of spending a lot on a single model, and then bringing expendable wounds to protect it. Instead, you should be maximizing firepower per point, which means (usually) taking multiple less-expensive models with greater total firepower.
...it's that they do not provide enough of a benefit to justify the cost.
Ell'ran wrote:Hmmm. I see your point, but I am not an offensive player by nature. It's not that I don't know how to, it's that I prefer not to.
Either way, as can be seen in this report, I use Stealths as the main offensive portion of my cadre. SMTs will join that portion of the battle if necessary, or they will intervene on behalf of friendly beleaguered models that require assistance.
But in my case, it means bringing a team leader that is above average, and surround him with a bunch of mediocre suits, and surround them all with drones. I maximize firepower per point by maximizing survivability of crucial models. After all, what good are my maximized firepower if they are KIA?
My main problem, as marnepup alluded to, is that I kinda am fighting with a hand behind my back (just not in the way he pointed out). These are more or less all the models I have (although I do have more that I am assembling). I am merely doing the best with what I have, and if that means I have to use lots of drones and upgrades then I will do it for now.
Peregrine wrote:In 40k, as in real life...
Peregrine wrote:The Tau are an offensive army
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