Emberkahn wrote:Panzer wrote:Haechi wrote:You're comparing 440 point with 64. My point is that you can do as much, and more, with much less points.
Yeah and my point was that you are ignoring some very important things like Drones not being able to take Support Systems and needing MUCH more shots to achieve the same damage output due their low BS.
I don't think there is any real dispute that drones are flat out better for s5 shooting. 128 points of drones has identical damage output for less than 1/3 of the price, 150 points of drones accounts for the loss of ATS at still roughly 1/3. That is without even beginning to consider for multipliers like DC and Cadre Fireblade, which really put the nail in the coffin.
EWO isn't particularly useful; enemies just drop outside of 12" and drones can be used as a screening unit for the same effect.
The stormsurge is tougher, but definitely not as tough as 50 drones (which would be the equivalent in points and far scarier, not to mention more useful for protecting good stuff like QFCs and Yvahra)
If anything I think that the redeeming feature of the stormsurge might be the destroyer missiles. With enough markerlights you can reliably nuke a vehicle turn 1 (on top of his other shooting) which should drop his effective points down to like 300, which makes him far more reasonable.
Even then however, as with everything in Tau it seems, he pretty comfortably still loses out to drones.
The low BS of the Drones poses another problem though. Against -1 to-hit modifier their damage output gets halfed already and if an opponent can get -2 to hit by any means the damage output of Gun Drones becomes 0.
While with a -1 to-hit modifier the Stormsurge loses only 1/4th of its damage output and with a -2 to-hit modifier only half of it.
I'd say Gun Drones are only better when there are no to-hit modifier.
EWO is very useful. Either the enemy drops within 12" and gets shot to hell or he drops outside of it and is out of range for Melta and Plasma Rapid fire.
It also doesn't just protect the Stormsurge, it protects every unit that's close to it. Stormbolter units are rather popular with Marines currently, which would have 4 shots per model at 12" and while the Stormsurge doesn't care much about that kind of shooting other units do which you can just place near the Stormsurge to benefit from his EWO aura.
The benefit of the Drones Saviour Protocol can't get argued away, I'll give you that. Gun Drones are one of the best units we can bring after all and not just for their damage output.