Watcher on the wall wrote:I'm a little confused by some of the numbers to be honest, particularly with the crisis suits. Redoing the same examples as gunrock (or at least until I get bored):
10 Gun Drones , 1ML(80points): 40 shots to 15.56 hits to 10.37 wounds to 8.64 kills, 9.26ppk
10 drones, Fireblade, 1ML (122 points): 60 shots to 23.33 hits to 15.55 wounds, to 12.96 kills, 9.41ppk
10 drones, Fireblade, 1ML, DC (122 points): 60 shots to 35 hits to 23.33 wounds to 19.44 kills, 6.28ppk (+ cost of DC)
I'm not convinced about adding the Fireblade actually. It means effectively an extra markerlight (and its utility will increase if you have more than 10 drones), but you need to get within 9" for it to be effective. The Drone Controller is great, if you can get it in place.
And then for the crisis suits:
3x CIB XV8, 1ML (96 points) 9 shots to 5.25 hits to 4.375 wounds to 4.375 kills, 21.95ppk
3x Burst Cannon, 1ML (72 points) 12 shots to 7 hits to 4.66 wounds to 3.88 kills, 18.54ppk
3x Flamer (69pts) 10.5 shots to 10.5 hits to 7 wounds to 5.83 kills, 11.83ppk
This isn't counting the attached gun drones who will be using in all likelihood to top gun drones profile and so shooting at 9.26ppk. I think this bit makes clear that if you're shooting at light infantry, flamer XV8 are the only viable choice, and even then they need a significant investment to effectively manta strike.
And then mechanised gun drones:
1 Devilfish, 13 Gun drones, Fireblade, 1ML (257 points) 82 shots (including the burst cannon on the devilfish) to 31.5 hits to 21 wounds to 17.5 kills. 14.69ppk
1 Devilfish, 13 Gun Drones, Fireblade, 1ML, DC (257 points) 82 shots (including the burst cannon on the devilfish) to 47.83 hits to 31.89 wounds to 26.57 kills. 9.67ppk.
The devilfish is about 33% less efficient than a set-up involving just gun drones and a fireblade, but this is partially compensated by the additionnal durability, utility and mobility of the devilfish (of course, all of this is for nothing is your devilfish is destroyed turn 1). On the other hand, a higher drone to fireblade ratio will make the numbers less favourable for the devilfish.
Don't rely on battlesuits to attack light infantry. Gun drones (or a normal fire warrior gunline) are the best, and putting them in a devilfish or not depends more on the rest of your army. So for commander spam or armies with lots of manta striking units, go on foot. If you're taking hammerheads or a stormsurge or a y'vraha, you can give mech a go.
gunrock wrote:Hey, I'm really sorry if I botched my analysis, I'm still figuring out how to do this sort of mathhammer. Thank you for helping check. I think I'm a little unclear as to what the numbers on the weapons table represent. I'm under the impression that the numbers represent average wounds? but now looking back on my math it does not seem to work?
Can anyone clarify what the stock formulas are for doing these sorts of calculations?
gunrock wrote:Hey, I was just curious if anyone had any comparative numbers for any of the the other devilfish setups namely: Railfish, and Breacherfish. I suspect neither of them are any good, but I'd like to consider all of the setups before writing off the devilfish completely.
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