Dealing with Leman Russ Tanks

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Kerrygan
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Dealing with Leman Russ Tanks

Post#1 » Dec 07 2017 04:12

Hello.
So my friends and I are playing a campaign with several battles at 1k, 1,5k and 2k points.
There is an Astra Militarum player, who fields about 4/5 Leman at 1k and 1,5k, and more at 2k (besides other tanks like some Tank Commanders).
I'm impressed with the points efficiency of the Leman.
It's such a cheap threat!
And I'm concerned about how can I engage them.
The Space Marines players used Lascannon, in the form of Devastators. Cheap and reliable. With S9 need 3+ to wound.
But us? I field 2+ QFC at any range of points (usually 2 at 1k/1,5k and 3 at 1,5k or 2k), but the S8 makes them not so reliable accounting the T8 of the Leman.
We do some math and we need 2 QFC just to almost kill a Leman. (At +9": Manta Strike).
A Leman is cheaper than 2 QFC, more survivable, and he can spam them. If I just Manta the QFCs (or just fly towards the Leman) he just need to wipe them with the Lascannons. Not to mention others units in his army.
I mean, I don't see an effective way to deal with Leman.
I think that the T8 is the problem (combined with our lack of S9+ shots).
Any ideas?
How are you dealing with Leman?
Thank you in advance.

Aspiring Commander
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Re: Dealing with Leman Russ Tanks

Post#2 » Dec 07 2017 04:26

How I've dealt with lots of tanks is to drop QFCs, and CIB crisis suits 9 inches away, and then charge the car park. Any overmatch can be bounced onto accompanying drones, and assuming they're staying close enough to each other, pile in and engage multiple russes with one squad of suits. Means they have to waste a turn running away :)
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Yojimbob
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Re: Dealing with Leman Russ Tanks

Post#3 » Dec 07 2017 05:02

Yup, charge them with anything like infantry or devilfish and use the QFC's to just keep punishing them one at a time while the rest of the army picks off the lighter targets and grabs objectives.

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leo1925
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Re: Dealing with Leman Russ Tanks

Post#4 » Dec 07 2017 06:59

As the others have said, charge them. The leman russ is quite an efficient tank and can be equipped to do various tasks and has many weapons, it's a very good choice for it's points (especially with some regiments).
Their only weakness is the lack of fly coupled with the guard's suckiness in melee combat (they don't suck as much as we do but they still suck), that means that you should charge them and make the best use of our fly keyword (remember to charge them with drones also).

The other solution is to drown them in gun drones fire but that solution is pretty much our answer to everything.


Aspiring Commander wrote:Means they have to waste a turn running away :)


Even then, our commanders, drones and crisis teams can keep up with them and re-charge them.

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Arka0415
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Re: Dealing with Leman Russ Tanks

Post#5 » Dec 07 2017 09:32

I agree here. Leman Russes tend to be just like other tanks- Fusion Blasters and Ion weapons are the way to go. Our S7 weapons (Missile Pods and non-overcharged Ion weapons) will fare much worse against Leman Russes due to their wounding on 5+, so keep that in mind.

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Re: Dealing with Leman Russ Tanks

Post#6 » Dec 08 2017 07:03

Also what regiment is he using? Because mordian can overwatch at full BS so be careful what you charge them with because a battle cannon will flatten a Commander if he can get 3 hits and because it's +1 to hit with the stratagem overcharged plasma can't overheat which is also deadly

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Re: Dealing with Leman Russ Tanks

Post#7 » Dec 08 2017 07:22

Nymphomanius wrote:Also what regiment is he using? Because mordian can overwatch at full BS so be careful what you charge them with because a battle cannon will flatten a Commander if he can get 3 hits and because it's +1 to hit with the stratagem overcharged plasma can't overheat which is also deadly


Mordians need a second tank at 6" and use a stratagem in order to overwatch at 4+ but you are correct.
Of course mordian isn't the best regiment so I don't think we will be seeing them all that often.

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Re: Dealing with Leman Russ Tanks

Post#8 » Dec 08 2017 07:58

My recommendations is the Y’vahra it can deal with a lemanruss or similar in one round asuming overcharge. If you feel luck the Flamer itself can (barring lucky rolls) take it out a lemanruss by itself, giving the ion weapon room to fire at something else. On top, it is very sturdy especial if you use shield drones with it. Downside it is a bullet/plasma/exterminuats magnet. and very pricy +- 400 pts. (and being forgeworld) Personally, I use my GW riptide to represent the FW variants that I feel like playing that day.
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leo1925
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Re: Dealing with Leman Russ Tanks

Post#9 » Dec 09 2017 08:15

BibiFloris wrote:My recommendations is the Y’vahra it can deal with a lemanruss or similar in one round asuming overcharge. If you feel luck the Flamer itself can (barring lucky rolls) take it out a lemanruss by itself, giving the ion weapon room to fire at something else. On top, it is very sturdy especial if you use shield drones with it. Downside it is a bullet/plasma/exterminuats magnet. and very pricy +- 400 pts. (and being forgeworld) Personally, I use my GW riptide to represent the FW variants that I feel like playing that day.


Even with ATS, you would need to be extremely lucky in order for the y'vahra's flamer to take out a leman russ, with average rolls (on wounding and saves), you would need to roll 15 on the 3d6.

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Re: Dealing with Leman Russ Tanks

Post#10 » Dec 09 2017 08:19

leo1925 wrote:
BibiFloris wrote:My recommendations is the Y’vahra it can deal with a lemanruss or similar in one round asuming overcharge. If you feel luck the Flamer itself can (barring lucky rolls) take it out a lemanruss by itself, giving the ion weapon room to fire at something else. On top, it is very sturdy especial if you use shield drones with it. Downside it is a bullet/plasma/exterminuats magnet. and very pricy +- 400 pts. (and being forgeworld) Personally, I use my GW riptide to represent the FW variants that I feel like playing that day.


Even with ATS, you would need to be extremely lucky in order for the y'vahra's flamer to take out a leman russ, with average rolls (on wounding and saves), you would need to roll 15 on the 3d6.

Yeah it looks like the Y'vahra's flamer alone will deal about ~9 damage, while the Ionic Discharge Cannon will deal ~6. Both guns firing together can definitely kill a Leman Russ, but I agree, I wouldn't count on the flamer alone.

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Re: Dealing with Leman Russ Tanks

Post#11 » Dec 09 2017 05:00

I sad lucky rolls. I meant lucky rolls.

In a void i would not recoment to split fire but the battelfield is always messier then mathhammer.
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