N'dras Sept Farsight Sympathisers - Painting Help Request

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N'dras Sept Farsight Sympathisers - Painting Help Request

Post#1 » Aug 17 2017 09:36

Hey ATT,

So I've been out of the tabletop scene for a long time now and am looking to return through building a Tau army from scratch. It can be assumed that I'm completely ignorant with regards to all things painting and so any help would be greatly appreciated!

I have kept an eye on the Tau fluff and have a particular interest in the N'dras sept, due to the overall mystique regarding their Sept world (I also love the sea green theme they have going). I also really enjoy the fluff surrounding the Farsight enclaves and their abandonment of the Ethereal Caste. Thus I've attempted to put the two together to create my own colour scheme. My reasoning being that potentially the 'secret' investigations going on in the N'dras sept world unearthed a chaos artifact or something along those lines and thus caused a divide between members of the N'dras Fire Caste and Ethereal Caste. Thus leading to new N'dras Farsight sympathisers travelling to the Enclaves.

I had a play around on the bolter and chainsword colour scheme builder and produced the following (apologies for the long link):

http://bolterandchainsword.com/fws.php? ... bg=FFFFFF&

As can be seen the N'dras sea green colour is still retained but the Farsight red has been adopted. I am probably going to change the Sept colours from orange to white but am still undecided.

I have no idea how I can practically achieve this and so have turned to you lovely people for any suggestions and tips. For example; what citadel paints to use, what paints for highlights and base layers or anything else you can think of.

Thanks in advance!

Shiggles

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Post#2 » Aug 17 2017 11:10

Take a print out to the hoby shop or your phone and compare colors. You may need to mix.

Which paint systems do you use? P3 GW Army Painter or vallejo?

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Post#3 » Aug 18 2017 01:06

That's a good idea, thanks! I'm currently abroad and so just thought I could order them ready for when I returned if anyone had a suggestion.

As for which paint system, as I mentioned I'm starting from scratch and so don't have any paints. Is there much discrepancy between the systems / one that is recommended above the others?

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Post#4 » Aug 18 2017 01:38

I love P3 and GW I use both. Vallejo is said to be really really good. Never tried it. Army painter has some okay sprays.

Gw's paints have nice sprays.

People use all kinds of products to thin paint or extend it such as floor polish or water.

Dollar store acrylics can work with the right thinner/extender.

Depends really.

Good luck.

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Post#5 » Aug 18 2017 01:12

I would recommend Vallejo...

larger than GW pots (17ml to 12ml) for less cost
dropper bottles for easy control
good quality

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Post#6 » Aug 18 2017 02:07

This looks like a lot of work.

So a problem I ran into with paint schemes and the Bolter and chain sword painter is that It looks good on "paper" but in practice it is not what you want. I can tell right now that unless you position your models a certain way the red abdomen part is going to be covered by the gun most of the time and unseen. Unless you paint your models in pieces it will be more work to get the red in there and on the collar. The gloves and the red part of the gun are also going to be a pain, which is why I think most people leave either one of them or both parts black.

BUT, I have no idea of your skills so all of this could be done. It all comes down to how much work you want to put into 36+ tiny models if you are running infantry.

Paint several models different ways before committing, or you will end up like me and be swimming in Simple Green and paint flakes.
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Post#7 » Aug 18 2017 06:53

Echoing Froglift really.

1/ If you want all the detailed parts painted, do the torso pre-assembly.

2/ Consider how much time you're willing to commit. Showcase or tabletop standard, they're not mutually exclusive, but it changes the time required to paint each model.

3/ Get a basic paint starter set and brushes, then base coats of the extra colours you want. You can then mix every other shade in between.

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Post#8 » Aug 19 2017 01:07

Shiggles

Paint
Reaper has a "Master Series" paint line (very similar to Vallejo paints). They have three bottle sets of colours, with a dark, mid-tone and highlight of the same shade of colour.

I bought their "teal/blue-green" series:
Dark: Ocean Deep
Mid-tone: Marine Teal
Highlight: Surf Aqua

Reaper paints, again like Vallejo, will cover the surface of a model, but not smother the detailing. And with the light colours you can easily paint over a darker colour, usually with one coat.

As to your "red" are going with a darker red, as seen in the link; or a lighter red? Is going to be a purplish or burgundy red? Again you might want to go with Reaper or Vallejo.

The best thing to do is paint some test models first to see how the colour choices actually look like on a fire warrior. And if it doesn't work out, or if you decide on another colour scheme, then there is always the Simple Green treatment.

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PS Chaos artifact? Isn't that rather cliché? I mean isn't EVERYTHING in the WH40K universe either a Chaos artifact or related to Chaos somehow? TM :crafty:
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Post#9 » Aug 19 2017 02:23

Maybe even pick a more basic concept for the fire warriors, say the ocean green with 1 or 2 spots of red, and then use the more complex color scheme on the suits and vehicles. I think that would work out really well.
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Post#10 » Aug 20 2017 03:55

All really good responses, cheers for that. Really appreciated!

Seems like I may need to manage my expectations a little bit. I'll have a go nonetheless and experiment with a couple of models first as you all suggested. I'll possibly find out that a simplified scheme for the fire warriors works best as you say Froglift.

TauMan wrote:Paint
Reaper has a "Master Series" paint line (very similar to Vallejo paints). They have three bottle sets of colours, with a dark, mid-tone and highlight of the same shade of colour.


I like the idea of this a lot as it will make things much simpler when choosing tri-colours. Thanks very much!

TauMan wrote:
As to your "red" are going with a darker red, as seen in the link; or a lighter red? Is going to be a purplish or burgundy red? Again you might want to go with Reaper or Vallejo.


I was going to choose the red as a complimentary colour to whatever sea green I end up with. Hopefully it will be a darker compliment.

TauMan wrote:PS Chaos artifact? Isn't that rather cliché? I mean isn't EVERYTHING in the WH40K universe either a Chaos artifact or related to Chaos somehow? TM :crafty:


Unfortunately they do happen to be the main antagonist. I suppose it could also happen to be a research facility for greater good 'indoctrination devices' such as the potential case with the Vespid which causes the divide. How would you have it happen out of curiosity?

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Post#11 » Aug 20 2017 04:06

I'm also in Japan at the moment and have this sudden urge to change the scheme to something similar to that of the Meiji period shrines. A predominantly red and white theme with jade green and other base colour highlights. My mind ran aloof with broadsides having their guns lined with Chinese style dragons with the mouth agape at the barrel and chest plates with a Chinese lion face. Could have some incredible command helmets as well with patterns similar to the Meiji period ceramics.

I appreciate this is completely not canon in the slightest (as the Tau aren't known for any decorative symbols like the Orks and IG are) but I think it would look incredible. I also doubt I have the skill to pull it off either aha! :::(

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Post#12 » Aug 20 2017 04:56

Shiggles wrote:I appreciate this is completely not canon in the slightest (as the Tau aren't known for any decorative symbols like the Orks and IG are) but I think it would look incredible. I also doubt I have the skill to pull it off either aha! :::(


Not necessarily true. Tau do make use of decorative symbols from time to time (it's common for Tau tank commanders to have a roundel painted on the side of their Devilfish or gunship as their own personal logo), and there could be room for more extensive embelishments for specialised roles, such as ceremonial attire for an Ethereal or Enclave Warlord's honour guard or to intimidate insurgents and other trouble-makers during peacekeeping missions (if those dragons and lion faces manage to persuade a would-be militant to back down and surrender instead of shooting, then they've worked as well as any camouflage would).

As a further option, if you're wanting to do an Enclave force then they are known to conduct piracy and mercenary work to help sustain themselves, and it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to imagine that such an Enclave pirate or mercenary force on an extended mission deep in the lawless reaches of the Eastern Fringe would take some extra liberties with decorating their equipment, either as a morale booster or, again, as a psychological warfare tactic (the various warring factions of 40k are after all, as a rule, a cowardly and superstitious lot).

But I digress. From a pure background point of view, your revised idea of a red and white colour scheme with green accents would fit well with your initial concept, effectively combining a modified version of Farsight's own red and grey colour scheme with the green Sept markings given to N'dras in the 6th edition background.

Alternatively, I can see your first proposed colour scheme working well, but would recommend dropping the brown undersuit colour and instead simply using a red undersuit with green armour and accent colours to taste (in other words, put the dark red you've used on the undersuit instead of selected pannels. Remember also that Tau commonly paint their armour in colours that will work as camouflage with the environment they're fighting in, so think about ideas for basing that will reflect the colour choice. When it comes to the models themselves however, it seems to me that either option would work.
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Post#13 » Aug 20 2017 08:48

This may be useful as a starting point. It has the hex codes and paint equivalents.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Pain ... lity_Chart

Oh, and this could help with picking layering colors, if that is something you are looking for.

https://www.games-workshop.com/resource ... System.pdf

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Post#14 » Aug 21 2017 07:39

Kakapo42 wrote:As a further option, if you're wanting to do an Enclave force then they are known to conduct piracy and mercenary work to help sustain themselves, and it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to imagine that such an Enclave pirate or mercenary force on an extended mission deep in the lawless reaches of the Eastern Fringe would take some extra liberties with decorating their equipment, either as a morale booster or, again, as a psychological warfare tactic (the various warring factions of 40k are after all, as a rule, a cowardly and superstitious lot).

But I digress. From a pure background point of view, your revised idea of a red and white colour scheme with green accents would fit well with your initial concept, effectively combining a modified version of Farsight's own red and grey colour scheme with the green Sept markings given to N'dras in the 6th edition background.


Awesome! You have no idea how excited this has gotten me to start :biggrin:

QimRas wrote:This may be useful as a starting point. It has the hex codes and paint equivalents.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Pain ... lity_Chart

Oh, and this could help with picking layering colors, if that is something you are looking for.

https://www.games-workshop.com/resource ... System.pdf


This is really useful, thank you very much! I suppose I should also start trying to browse this forum for some painting techniques when it comes to Tau. Any other painting tips that you can share would likewise be greatly appreciated!

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Post#15 » Aug 21 2017 02:50

I'm excited to see how this turns out! And welcome to the Enclave!
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Post#16 » Aug 21 2017 04:59

You and me both! I'll see about posting some pictures when I've had a go at a few fire warriors so you can all pitch in. I'll be starting with the 'start collecting' set so I'll have a crack at a suit as well and see how that turns out!

Cheers for all the help so far, really appreciated :)

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Post#17 » Aug 21 2017 08:03

Shiggles - Let second Froglift in welcoming you to the Enclaves! And in saying I too am looking forward to your results.

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