Rizzle wrote:I wouldn't get too hung up on porting the 40k incarnation of Pathfinders into Shadow War, except where doing so directly covers a balance issue. Ideally, a skirmish level game can capture the essence of a Pathfinder team better; that's one of the reasons I've been looking at established fiction for new space to explore.
In this case, I also think a 10+5 team would be very strong. Gun drones ought to make great patrol candidates too and at that point you'd need to think carefully about the overall balance of the list.
But yeah! Additional drone types would be ace. The Guardian Drone had established a generator/amplifier dynamic. I've been sketching out the idea of having a single support system 'slot' in Recon armour. The guardian field amplifier for 5++ within 6" of an MV36 Guardian Drone (normally 6++) becomes an interesting choice if that slot could instead be filled by, say, a Target Lock granting +1 to hit on marked targets or a mirage field amplifier granting camo gear (plus, say, the ability to hide in the open when near a MV5 Stealth Drone) and so on.
ARC'Thunder wrote:Also, I can't say I fully support increasing the base range of the pulse carbine. I think it's a difficult situation. Even though the Skitarii carbines, shotguns, and sluggas have increased range from the tabletop, we can still increase ours via the accelerator drone whereas most "close ranged guns" aren't able to mount a telescopic sight. Although, most armies aren't limited to only one basic weapon that has such a short range, and even our range increase is only 6" where other basic guns usually get an additional 12". If we were to increase the base long range of the carbine to 24" (maybe 20"-22"? Shadow Wars doesn't seem to worry about strange weapon ranges) it would most certainly need to be more expensive at 35-40 points.
Peregrim wrote:Costs are derived from the WH40K codex. One pathfinder's cost (with standard equipment) is 10x the codex cost. I suppose there's a floating 5 pts, but I'm not sure I agree that the cost of our basic guns would need to be increased if its range was increased to match the typical basic range for SW:A.
BillyBones wrote: if a shield drone would give lets say 5++ on a radius, that is our compensation for camo gear.
Panzer wrote:Aye they do have their advantages. Just we don't have anything from it by being able to move and use them if we are pinned/downed.
Once more, beside all the quality of life changes, I'd like to say the ONE problem we have is delivering our dakka without getting picked apart on the way.
Hence why I think a Shield drone with a invul bubble (that also prevents pinning if the hit gets saved by the invul save) would be a very awesome addition to the list getting rid of most of our problems in one go.
Rizzle wrote:An alternate plan I could get behind would be importing the MV5 Stealth Drone from the Ghostkeel kit and having it confer a point of cover that cannot be ignored (open -> partial, partial -> full, full -> full that ignores photo visors ) over a 3" radius.
Panzer wrote: Also I do think Pathfinder should stay a mid range team with some access to long ranged weaponry on their specialists so i'm against increasing the range on Carbines.
BillyBones wrote:Panzer wrote: Also I do think Pathfinder should stay a mid range team with some access to long ranged weaponry on their specialists so i'm against increasing the range on Carbines.
All I'm saying is that they should have been sustain 1 at current range.
ARC'Thunder wrote:Peregrim wrote:Costs are derived from the WH40K codex. One pathfinder's cost (with standard equipment) is 10x the codex cost. I suppose there's a floating 5 pts, but I'm not sure I agree that the cost of our basic guns would need to be increased if its range was increased to match the typical basic range for SW:A.
While I agree to some extent about the points costs being derivative of 40k's own, I think we would benefit from using up that floating 5 points. I say this based on the points values of other factions' weapons. For example, the Skitarii radium carbines cost 35 points, benefit from the extra range, have the +1 to hit at short range, while having worse strength and no save modifier when compared to our own carbines.
EDIT: I might even suggest decreasing the points costs of our soldiers by 5, and compensate by using the net extra to add to the cost of the carbine. Skitarii fresh-forged are 65 points, and have a better WS, BS, I, Ld, and save over our pathfinder troopers. Mind, I don't know how much of our base cost might be an inbuilt "markerlight tax", but still, we have to be conscious of its high S and good save mod and can afford 5-10 points on a longer ranged carbine (and its ability to have increased range via accelerator drones).
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