Ethereal + 2 Marker Drones + Sniper Drone Team = Win ?

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555ea
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Ethereal + 2 Marker Drones + Sniper Drone Team = Win ?

Post#1 » Mar 17 2017 09:12

I somehow came to this scheme and thought that it is extremely point effective.
It's like 50+24+58 = 132 points. You get 3 marker lights at BS5 from drone controller, 2 of which have target lock. You get a majority toughness of 4 and a stealth, so they are twice more survivable than pathfinders. And moreover they can shoot up to 9 sniper shots at 24" with Storm of Fire. You can even get extra marker lights/sniper drones for extra sauce.

What do you think of it ? I think it's much more point effective than Buff'O.

The only biggest problem I see is a detachment. CAD is only good up to 750-1000, cause you'd want to benefit from extra +1bs, 12" support fire and etc.

Is there a way to include an Ethereal inside a Hunter Contigent without 2 compulsory commanders ?

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Re: Ethereal + 2 Marker Drones + Sniper Drone Team = Win ?

Post#2 » Mar 17 2017 10:10

Etherials don't have drone controller and where did BS5 come from?

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Re: Ethereal + 2 Marker Drones + Sniper Drone Team = Win ?

Post#3 » Mar 17 2017 10:22

TauMinded wrote:Etherials don't have drone controller and where did BS5 come from?


Each Firesight Markesman (Markstau?) has BS5 and a drone controller, which is the trick that makes this a 2 way synergy.

I can't speak to its effectiveness in 7th edition, but I thoroughly enjoyed this pairing at the centre of a 6th edition firebase. The 2 extra BS5 markerlights are gravy compared to the survivability boost to the ethereal. I suspect it is more of a trick to remember when the terrain and opponent suit it, rather than the core of a list though.

It makes me nostalgic for the first Tau codex, where ethereals made great companions for broadsides - the ethereal gained majority toughness and armour boosts and the suits gained LD10 for Target Priority tests :D

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Post#4 » Mar 17 2017 10:28

Sure, it's not a core, but it's better than Point'O, he's 85+8+56=149 points for 4 BS5 MLs with 0 firepower and without great LD10+Invocation of Elements of an Ethereal.

So, anybody knows a way to pick an Ethereal in a Hunter Contigent without 2 compulsory Commanders ?

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Post#5 » Mar 17 2017 10:45

I like this idea, I've used Ethereals and sniper drone teams in the past, but never thought of giving the ethereal marker drones. I agree that if you want firepower and markerlights then you would go with this combination (I know I would).

Unfortunately, there is no way to take an Ethereal inside the hunter contingent without 2 commanders. I still wish that the contingent command had an Ethereal as required and a commander as optional, instead of the other way around.

If you don't want 2 commanders but don't mind 3 HQ choices you could take Shadowsun instead of a commander. But that still takes up 300-400 points.

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Post#6 » Mar 17 2017 11:31

555ea wrote:You get 3 marker lights at BS5 from drone controller, 2 of which have target lock.

Target lock? How?

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Post#7 » Mar 17 2017 11:34

Marker Drones have Target lock by default, am I wrong ?

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Re: Ethereal + 2 Marker Drones + Sniper Drone Team = Win ?

Post#8 » Mar 17 2017 12:52

you are. marker drones don't have target lock.
Also biggest flaw in my opinion is, that an ethereal is a easy victory point for your enemy. if he is the warlord too, thats two easy victory points.
Fielding an ethereal is always risky and his abilities, namely storm of fire, should be used to the best way possible. And thats one or better two striker/breacher teams.

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Post#9 » Mar 17 2017 03:53

Oops, you are right. Haven't played tau yet, last time I played 5ed blood angels.

Sure, they are easy victory points, but they are great for small format games, and the Sniper Drone Team can be easily enlarged with up to 2 marksmen and/or up to 6 sniper drones for extra wounds.

I think this build is good for 750 points and for something like 1500-1850 with 2 commanders. Need to look for a good way to use two commanders though. Maybe a Tank Hunter+Ignores Cover Buff'O and a Point'O with a single bodyguard.

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Re: Ethereal + 2 Marker Drones + Sniper Drone Team = Win ?

Post#10 » Mar 17 2017 04:25

If it comes to Tau you have to keep in mind that Tau play style is a lot different to space marine play style.

1. Our HQ choices are not the big solo fighters and army centrepieces but more a support unit for the rest of our army. To me it happens pretty often, that i would prefer not to pick any HQ choice at all while building my army, but the CAD/formation/detachment forces me to do so.

2. Tau units are all about specialisation. Mixed roles in a singe unit are problematic. Thats why we tend to put all one weapon setups on crisis units for example. A sniper drone team itself is already very specialised, with sniper rifle rules being best against high toughness targets. If you put three marker lights into a units that is very picky with its targets you will come to situations where either the marker lights are wasted, or the sniper rifles are.

3.Because you can add up to three controllers into your sniper drone unit, you get the same benefit of three marker lights with BS5 if you want to. Also if you want more Sniper drone shots, just add more sniper drones, that add more shots at full 48" instead of just 24". So that is 129 points for 3 controller and 6 sniper drones. Compared to the 132point setup of your proposal you will get: more shots in every sittuation, more wounds/life points in the unit. BS5 drone controller backups, no free victory points for your enemy. The only thing you won't have is LD10.

My consulsion: Don't mix combat roles in a single unit and don't waste powerful support abilities at very small specialised units.

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