Nomenclature for Standard T'au Cadre

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Nomenclature for Standard T'au Cadre

Post#1 » Oct 11 2017 09:04

I'm trying to figure out the "right" way to name my re-tooled 8th Edition army. While I may not field all of these units at once, my goal is to have the basis of a proper cadre, so I assume the word "cadre" would appear in it somewhere. In terms of appearance, I'm going for a clean, proper, and well-oiled look. These troops have had their proper rest and relaxation on T'au and are ready for the 5th Sphere Expansion. Finally, since I'll usually be fielding Aun'va (or at least have him "observing" the fight from a side table!) I figure the army must have accrued some acclaim and recognition to have the honor of accompanying such a high-ranking Ethereal. I'm not going to write any fluff for this army, they'll write their own stories on the tabletop :D

Anyway, what would the proper nomenclature be for a bog-standard Tau Sept cadre be? Would the presence of an Ethereal such as Aun'va change the name at all? Do Tau use a numbering system for their cadres, or something else? Would you end up with a modern military-style name like "122nd Infantry" or something more artistic? Personally I can't imagine the Tau naming their units something like "the Fist of the Greater Good" or anything else lame, but maybe they do?

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Re: Nomenclature for Standard T'au Cadre

Post#2 » Oct 11 2017 09:36

I know these are technically formations, but if the 7th edition Codex is anything to go by, they're probably named after their purpose, such as "Hunter Cadre", "Retaliation Cadre" or "Infiltration Cadre" so I'd go for something along those lines perhaps?

In my fluff, my army is simply known as Pax'nera Sept where they hail from - the Cadres are the forces that provide specific tasks, like Infiltration, Air Support, Heavy Retribution, etc
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Re: Nomenclature for Standard T'au Cadre

Post#3 » Oct 11 2017 05:01

From the 4th edition (2nd codex) Tau Empire, 2005 Games Workshop Ltd.

Kau'ui or "Hunter Cadre" - 'FURY' Mobile Infantry Assault Configuration --From Tau Empire, 2005 Games Workshop Ltd. (2nd Tau Codex)


So by the look of it cadres do have names and in this case 'Fury'.

Having been myself in the military I prefer cadres have numbers, so in my Into Silence story The Silver Talon the cadre from Au'taal is the referred to as the 114th Mobile Assault Cadre.

And my own WH40k Enclave army is called the Vi'myrii Kau'ui - The Red Knives cadre. They really should also have a cadre number like the 205th Vior'los Armoured Infantry cadre or something, but I just never got around to giving them one.

In my other stories the Farsight Enclaves always have poetic names, like the Blue Wind cadre or the Golden Sabres cadre. (The Farsight Enclaves - "Why do your cadres all have names?" "Because we just gotta be different!")

NOTE: Terms like Retaliation Cadre or Infiltration Cadre are just names of formations for the game, they wouldn't be actual cadres, as they're too small. So cadre in this case are just a name GW slapped on formation boxes to sell plastic.

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Re: Nomenclature for Standard T'au Cadre

Post#4 » Oct 11 2017 06:31

TauMan wrote:From the 4th edition (2nd codex) Tau Empire, 2005 Games Workshop Ltd.

Kau'ui or "Hunter Cadre" - 'FURY' Mobile Infantry Assault Configuration --From Tau Empire, 2005 Games Workshop Ltd. (2nd Tau Codex)


So by the look of it cadres do have names and in this case 'Fury'.

Having been myself in the military I prefer cadres have numbers, so in my Into Silence story The Silver Talon the cadre from Au'taal is the referred to as the 114th Mobile Assault Cadre.

And my own WH40k Enclave army is called the Vi'myrii Kau'ui - The Red Knives cadre. They really should also have a cadre number like the 205th Vior'los Armoured Infantry cadre or something, but I just never got around to giving them one.


So, at the end of the day, Tau cadres sometimes have poetic names, but otherwise are always named after their military function? "Mobile Infantry," "Mobile Assault," etc.?

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Re: Nomenclature for Standard T'au Cadre

Post#5 » Oct 11 2017 07:18

There are effectively two systems that are commonly accepted.

The first, documented in Imperial Armour Volume III: The Taros Campaign (1st edition), is a simple pattern of 'X Cadre [Commander's Name]'. X here is where the type of cadre would be included, giving you something along the lines of 'Hunter Cadre O'Shaserra' or 'Battlesuit Cadre Aloh' for example.

The second is more commonly seen in background created outside GW, and assigns numbered cadre names along the lines of 'XYZth [Sept of Origin] Whatever Cadre' typical of a human army from after around 1900 or so (and possibly some time before that, but my knowledge on military formation conventions from before the First World War is quite fuzzy so I'm using 1900 as the cutoff point to be on the safe side). Thus you get things like the 114th Mobile Assault Cadre or the 74th Vash'Yan Recon Cadre.

A compromise solution I've come up with to reconcile these two systems is to simply use both of them, with Tau formations having two names. One is their 'real' Tau name, which is the 'X Cadre [Commander's Name]' one, and the second is a reporting designation used by the Imperium - this one is the human-style numbered name. Thus, my own hard-fighting elite bog-standard cadre from T'au is Hunter Cadre Da'Anuk among Tau circles, but is known to Imperial powers as the 42nd T'au Guards Cadre.

There are some alternative systems you can use instead, documented in later editions of Tau codex, but they seem less established in the community.

As for what kind of cadre your army would be, from your description you have several options. The first and simplest is to simply leave it as a Hunter Cadre, which is the term used for a bog standard Fire Caste cadre. Alternatively, since you plan to have it frequently working alongside Aun'Va, another option could be to make it an Honour Guard formation, calling it something like a 'Close Protection Cadre' or an 'Ethereal Security Cadre' or similar.

The third option is to make use of some newer Kakapo Canon(tm) alluded to above - the Guards Cadre. This is something I invented for my own army for very similar reasons to the questions raised in this thread (creating a name that would make what is essentially a bog-standard Tau army sound more exciting), but is freely available and something I have no problem with others using. Much like Guards units in real life, the Guards Cadre designation doesn't refer to a single type of cadre, but instead is a special honorific awarded to any Tau cadre that distinguishes itself particularly admirably in combat. Thus, any Tau army can be made a Guards Cadre (though specialised cadres will usually have their specialisation added, making a Guards Armoured Interdiction cadre, for example).

A word of caution when painting and planning however. If you do wish to use this option, then Kakapo Canon(tm) also has Guards Cadres using the 3rd edition system of markings (so full-colour helmets for Shas'Uis, for example), and it's very rare for a Sept to have more than 100 operational Guards Cadres of any kind active at the same time, so try to stick to numbers lower than 100 (in T'au service, 42 and 8 are also in use in Kakapo Canon(tm) - the 42nd T'au Guards is my own army, while the 8th T'au Guards was a name I retroactively gave to the original 3rd edition GW studio Tau army as seen on the inside cover of the 3rd edition Codex: Tau).

Of course, you're also more than welcome to invent your own systems and designations. :)
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Re: Nomenclature for Standard T'au Cadre

Post#6 » Oct 11 2017 07:49

Kakapo42 wrote:The first, documented in Imperial Armour Volume III: The Taros Campaign (1st edition), is a simple pattern of 'X Cadre [Commander's Name]'. X here is where the type of cadre would be included, giving you something along the lines of 'Hunter Cadre O'Shaserra' or 'Battlesuit Cadre Aloh' for example.

The second is more commonly seen in background created outside GW, and assigns numbered cadre names along the lines of 'XYZth [Sept of Origin] Whatever Cadre' typical of a human army from after around 1900 or so (and possibly some time before that, but my knowledge on military formation conventions from before the First World War is quite fuzzy so I'm using 1900 as the cutoff point to be on the safe side). Thus you get things like the 114th Mobile Assault Cadre or the 74th Vash'Yan Recon Cadre.

Makes sense. Adding the name of the Commander definitely adds a Japanese military feel, which feels thematic in its own way!

Kakapo42 wrote:As for what kind of cadre your army would be, from your description you have several options. The first and simplest is to simply leave it as a Hunter Cadre, which is the term used for a bog standard Fire Caste cadre. Alternatively, since you plan to have it frequently working alongside Aun'Va, another option could be to make it an Honour Guard formation, calling it something like a 'Close Protection Cadre' or an 'Ethereal Security Cadre' or similar.

I'm not too up-to-date on Ethereal lore- a high-ranking Ethereal like Aun'va would never "attach" himself to a particular cadre, right? Feels to me like the other way around, they'd be accompanying him. So you wouldn't see him in a position of direct command, but rather as an important figure being guarded?

Kakapo42 wrote:The third option is to make use of some newer Kakapo Canon(tm) alluded to above - the Guards Cadre. This is something I invented for my own army for very similar reasons to the questions raised in this thread (creating a name that would make what is essentially a bog-standard Tau army sound more exciting), but is freely available and something I have no problem with others using.

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A word of caution when painting and planning however. If you do wish to use this option, then Kakapo Canon(tm) also has Guards Cadres using the 3rd edition system of markings (so full-colour helmets for Shas'Uis, for example), and it's very rare for a Sept to have more than 100 operational Guards Cadres of any kind active at the same time, so try to stick to numbers lower than 100 (in T'au service, 42 and 8 are also in use in Kakapo Canon(tm) - the 42nd T'au Guards is my own army, while the 8th T'au Guards was a name I retroactively gave to the original 3rd edition GW studio Tau army as seen on the inside cover of the 3rd edition Codex: Tau).

I gotta say, I'm liking Kakapo canon(tm) more and more! My army too uses the 3rd edition marking system, with full-color Shas'ui helmets, which also means that the lowest-ranking XV8 also has a full-color helmet. As in the old art images, I'm also going with alt-colored left shoulder pads. I haven't re-painted any of my Shas'vre yet, but I'm not totally sure how to mark them out. What do you do?
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Re: Nomenclature for Standard T'au Cadre

Post#7 » Oct 12 2017 09:03

Arka stop influencing my army!!! :P All the Kool kids are naming their armies. Lol. I now had to name mine. Mine doesn't have any real cannon roots but it has personal preference flavor to it: "Greater Good's Vindication Cadre"

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Re: Nomenclature for Standard T'au Cadre

Post#8 » Oct 12 2017 06:42

Lostroninsoul wrote:Arka stop influencing my army!!! :P All the Kool kids are naming their armies. Lol. I now had to name mine. Mine doesn't have any real cannon roots but it has personal preference flavor to it: "Greater Good's Vindication Cadre"

Hey, I think we're all just looking for something fancy to write at the top of our army rosters :D

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Re: Nomenclature for Standard T'au Cadre

Post#9 » Oct 12 2017 10:43

Arka0415 wrote:I'm not too up-to-date on Ethereal lore- a high-ranking Ethereal like Aun'va would never "attach" himself to a particular cadre, right? Feels to me like the other way around, they'd be accompanying him. So you wouldn't see him in a position of direct command, but rather as an important figure being guarded?


It seems to depend on circumstances. Going by older background material at least, Ethereals may temporarily 'attach' themselves to a cadre for a few battles or a campaign - they're not a permanent part of the cadre, they just tag along for a while until they're satisfied they've done what they came for.

Honour Guard units and dedicated escort forces are a different matter - they do permanently accompany Ethereals and other high-ranking VIPs from place to place to make sure nothing happens to them. So someone like Aun'Va could decide to accompany a regular old Hunter Cadre for whatever reason, then leave for another job somewhere else, but would also likely have a sizeable escort force following him around on interplanetary travels and so on, who would be considered accompanying him.

Either way you'd be right, they don't usually have direct command over the Fire Caste troops they're with, instead they're either an important advisor (if they're just accompanying a cadre) or a VIP to guard (for an escort force). There are instances where an Ethereal does take direct command over military forces, such as Aun'Shi at Fio'Vash, but these tend to be the exception rather than the norm.
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Re: Nomenclature for Standard T'au Cadre

Post#10 » Oct 13 2017 11:55

Kakapo42 wrote:Honour Guard units and dedicated escort forces are a different matter - they do permanently accompany Ethereals and other high-ranking VIPs from place to place to make sure nothing happens to them. So someone like Aun'Va could decide to accompany a regular old Hunter Cadre for whatever reason, then leave for another job somewhere else, but would also likely have a sizeable escort force following him around on interplanetary travels and so on, who would be considered accompanying him.

I'd totally forgotten about Ethereal Honor Guards! The old upgraded Fire Warriors from the old Codex. It'd be nice to field them again! Maybe I should make a "fancy" Fire Warrior squad in the future. Nostalgic!

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